Why is everything a veg has to say considered propoganda?!

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Why is everything a veg has to say considered propoganda?

Veganconscript posted a link to the movie Earthlings a few moments ago. The movie is 1 hour and 30 minutes long. People responded within minutes saying it was propoganda. I am going to guess these people didnt even bother to watch it, and only assumed it was all made up. Video doesn't lie. It includes your pet friends as well. I think its very educational for anyone, whether you are vegan or not. So please help me to understand why its so difficult to face the reality of the world we live in and why everyone chooses to ignore it? it effects all of us.

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2 weeks ago
I hear you depp (nice pic btw lol), but its not about that. Meat or not, the conditions in which we live, and allow beings that coexist with us to live is out of control and ridiculous. I am not one to push my beliefs on others and never have been. I guess I just dont get it. I dont know how anyone could watch that film and not feel bothered by it. I couldnt even watch the whole thing myself because it was too disturbing. Thus I have the same problems with facing some of the realities in life.

2 weeks ago
And by the way, since the post veganconscript had up was removed (even though als was kept up..thanks for that btw man,you did good without even realizing it!)you can view the movie at my 360 blog here :
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-2uve74i6erl...

1 week ago
Mevlana, it takes a strong person to be able to do what these undercover people did. You ask why they couldnt help save some of the animals?.Well imagine how many they could possibly save by informing the public of what is really going on behind the scenes. I certainly couldnt do it, but I have total respect for those who were able to. I am sure in some instances they were traumatized by it, and it eats at theie conscious. Id imagine though that the good they did beyond outweighs the bad.

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I'm not a vegetarian and don't intend to become one, but I think the fact that people who are, tend to go a bit overboard in trying to convert others. I personally don't want to hear how eating meat is terrible and that I'm killing animals because of my choice of foods. While I believe that people should be allowed to eat whatever they please and that includes cutting meat out of their diets, I don't want to be subjected to being called a killer or told that I am hurting animals because I am not. Vegetarians just need to eat what they feel is right for them and stop calling those of us who chose to eat meat inhumane.

edit: I understand how you feel and I appreciate your calm and thoughtful manner of speaking about this, you dont seem to be a fanatic, and are mainly concerned with animal welfare. I understand this,and I dont think anyone is ignoring the fact that animals are used as meat. Basically my point is, many animals were put here to provide nutrition for those of us who choose to eat meat. What would be the appropriate way of handling the overcrowded animal population if they weren't used as food.

I think its easier for most people to play ostrich-stick their heads in the sand and pretend nothing is really wrong. I have been trying to explain the issue of how unsanitary factory farms are to my mother for years, and she simply refuses to believe it. She says farms are regulated by the FDA, USDA, etc, and that they wouldnt allow such "nonsense". She just does not want to know-she knows it would change her mind about eating meat, and thats simply not an option for her. For that reason, she calls it propaganda as well. Its just being closed minded.

because a lot of people are narrow or close-minded. simple as that.

Probably because it is not the "majority" view. The TV and print ads have meat and diary commercials all the time. So something different is "propaganda."

Edit- Let me just add that people who have never been in the minority may never understand the concept of looking at all things and learning from them, and it is far easier to stay in the majority.

because the fact is the us vegans make meat eaters feel inferior and they don't understand that while everything they say is a lie and everything we say is the truth!

That's what people do who cast judgment on something without any knowledge on the subject tend to do.
Those that participate in this ignorant behavior want to continue believing what they want to believe, regardless if the truth is contrary to what they believe. They are totally close-minded.
They want to be allowed to have an opinion that's not based on any facts or truth, but rather it's based on lies, heresay, rumors and sheer ignorance.
I doubt they even realize how ridiculous and ignorant they come across to those of us who are NOT ignorant!
They like to label us as being,"self righteous," but that probably comes from their deep down guilt for consuming meat. Most vegetarian/vegans that post answers/questions are not "forcing" anyone to eat like them! That would be equivalent to jamming a fork of meatless food down their throats. Some of those anti-vegetarian/vegan trolls that lurk around this forum have even admitted to enjoy "tricking" vegetarians by feeding them meat without telling them! Wouldn't THAT be considered forcing one's beliefs on another??
I realize that not everyone who eats meat are vegetarian/vegan haters that come to this forum. Many have legitimate reasons to come and do not attempt to start trouble. The vegetarian/vegan hating trolls are the minority.
I wish more of the intelligent,open-minded, decent meat eaters would come to this forum and out number the immature, ignorant questions/answers that the trolls post here. Then we can return to being able to engage in mature, open-minded conversations with not only fellow vegetarians/vegans, but mature, open-minded meat eaters as well.

Is everything a veg has to say considered propaganda? Most likely you'll mostly hear from those who consider what vegans say to be propaganda (of course some of it is - most, if not all, ideologies have their propaganda).

The reason many people label ideas they don't agree with as propaganda is that doing so relieves them of having to take the idea into consideration. They can then stay comfortably in their ideological tracks.

Changing a view that is important to you is an uncomfortable process and we like to be comfortable.

Addition:

I just watched the Earthlings video... very uncomfortable. Yes, I managed to sit through the whole thing... the sicko that I am :p

I have watched the Earthlings video......But you have to bear in mind that it's author was setting out to making a point...So I would assume that they set out to find every piece of negative evidence they could to drive a point home...The essence of propaganda....
I am sure that there are transgressions in the processing of foods made of animals, I do not feel that they are the rule of thumb...I pass fields of cattle every day and from what I can tell they are enjoying life as much as cows can...I mean all they ever do is to eat and poop and they can do that without moving.....

All I am saying that this video does not represent a true reality...Just a skewed one..

Since I cant reply to your email

I dont know where the "Factory farms" are located...Ive never seen one.
I live in Arkansas and one of the largest producers of chickens in
America is Tysons.
There are chicken houses all over the state where individuals can buy
chicks and raise them
to sell back to Tyson as fryers...They live in covered houses with
large fans for cooling..If they are sick they get antibiotics....A lot
of
the people that I know raise Cows pretty much as they have for a
hundred years...No over crowding...No creulity.....

As for me I have to be off the chart when others are off the
chart....It draws the pendulum back to center....

I dont mind someone choosing to be a vegan or what ever they want to
do...
But it pisses me off when I go hunting to be called a murderer...Hell
thats just stupid....
Murder is a crime of human against human....And forgive me but I do
value the human life over that of a cow or pig or deer....

And if one doesnt have the stomach to see the death of an animal I
can understand that too. But I can and do kill animals for food.

As far as circus animals or pets ...There are laws that govern
cruelty to animals. Perhaps the person filming at the circus should
have
taken the facts to the local police instead of allowing it to happen in
order to make a biased movie....Who is to blame?

Greetings Katie G, I watched it, start to finish, the whole 1 and 1/2 hours of it...

.... I've got nothing

Speechless... Maybe after I (no pun) digest this information I will have something to say, but for now... got nothing...

Have a good evening... and Thank you!
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Katie, what else do you expect? They dont know anything about the subject, they are not willing to change...ignorance is more comfortable than the truth. So if they call it a lie and propaganda, then somehow they can continue living their own lie.

We just need to take a look at meat and dairy industry to see true propaganda and dirty tactics of brainwashing ppl, selling them disease (because that is what meat gives you: cancer, heart condition, obesity etc)...

Like you say video doesnt lie. Those are not "exceptions" or special cases either. That is reality. But McDonalds nation doesnt like information. They prefer advertisement and staying passive.

But the truth is becoming too dangerous to ignore, their children, or maybe more realistically great grand children will be ashamed when they look back.

Just keep spreading the word! You're not doing it for your own benefit, so how are you "pushing your opinions on others"? Every creature has equal rights- That is all we are saying. Unlike the meat industry, we're not trying to sell anything.

EDIT; for Depp: That's a lovely pic indeed! Your question: >>What would be the appropriate way of handling the overcrowded animal population if they weren't used as food.<<

There is a very simple solution. Stop breeding them. Cows, pigs, chickens etc would naturally not reproduce in such great numbers or produce as much milk or eggs as they do now, simply because their nature has been manipulated by humans. Farmed animals are bred to be exploited. People dont exploit many other kinds of animals and bugs, and those are not taking over the planet.

I would argue that everything a veg says is taken in context, and not always considered propaganda. It's pretty simple, really. You have a strong belief. If you try to push that belief on someone else and in the process destroy their beliefs, then it's generally going to be seen as propaganda, even if it's all facts. It just the way the world works.

Have you not noticed that people in general don't like evangelists for any cause? They want to be what they want to be, and not have someone else freak out about it and try to tell them how bad or wrong they are.

There is wisdom in subtle persuasion. PETA gets that all wrong. They try to force it down your throat. They would be more successful with subtle campaigns of awareness. If I call you an ignorant fool, you are less open to hear what I have to say after that.

I enjoy a balanced diet, including meat. I respect those that choose not not eat meat, but I don't need them to try to convert me in an aggressive militant way. I worked as a Chef with someone who was Vegetarian and almost Vegan. She never tried to push her agenda on me, and I respected her belief 10X more than someone who did. One time I had Veal on the menu, and she decided that she would not work that day because of her strong belief against veal. I didn't punish her for this. I respected it. I haven't had veal on the menu since. She has taught me much about vegetarian food and issues. But she never pushes it. She respects my lifestyle as much as I respect her lifestyle.

Enjoy your veg life. Try not to worry too much about other people's non-veg lives, then there will be no issue. You will go nuts trying to change people, and you will be considered a nut because of it.

Everyone has a desire to be RIGHT and be admired for being RIGHT, but in the process that makes someone else WRONG. It's an ego thing. Yet, if the issue is true and sincere, you don't need to make anyone else wrong in order to be right. Be more matter of fact, Zen-like. "Sorry, I don't eat meat." No need to elaborate and persuade.

This is America, not Afghanistan. People can be whatever they want to be. Tolerance is the key to freedom. Freedom is the key to change. Intolerance breeds tyrants.

EDIT: The five thumbs down rating on this post makes my point implicitly. There needs to be more tolerance.

To the person who replied here that "vegans make us feel inferior" : No one but you has control over what you feel !!! No one can make you feel inferior but you...if you feel guilty over eating meat, projecting your guilt onto others and saying they MAKE YOU FEEL guilty...that is not true. You are the one who is the only one with control over your feelings.

If you need to feel less inferior, do something to change that. Get a student loan, go back to school to educate yourself so that hopefully you will feel better about yourself. Or do some volunteer work to help others. Take some cooked food to a homeless shelter. Help out at a hospital as a volunteer. You don't have to be the same as anyone else, but you don't have to attack others who are minding their own business either. That will not help you feel better about yourself.

On the other hand , the point made by Gary C about why didn't the person making the movie DO SOMETHING instead of just filming this atrocity...or go to the police, esp where the live dog was put into a trash compactor truck or the dog on the street was shot (ON A PUBLIC STREET)...that is a valid point and one that went through my mind also...although I don't approve of animal cruelty, I can't see what was going through the sick mind of the person who filmed this without doing anything to stop at least SOME of this cruelty...at least he could have helped the two dogs if nothing else. He could have said NO! Don't do that! But he didn't even do that much...

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