Vegans: What's with the whole "Murdering Animals" deal?!
Vegans: What's with the whole "Murdering Animals" deal?
Look, if you're so concerned about people killing animals, stop looking at us omnivores who enjoy some meat on their plate. How about turning your attention to the farming industries that YOU rely on that destroy acres of habitats for organisms eh?
Additional Details2 weeks ago
to Vegan and Proud:
Nah, cat's a little too tender for my liking.
1 week ago
Look, this isn't the point. The point is, any form of globalized industry you rely on, whether it be for clothing or furniture, contributes in the destruction of habitats for organisms. So why are you specifically targeting us omnivores?
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2 weeks ago
to Vegan and Proud:
Nah, cat's a little too tender for my liking.
1 week ago
Look, this isn't the point. The point is, any form of globalized industry you rely on, whether it be for clothing or furniture, contributes in the destruction of habitats for organisms. So why are you specifically targeting us omnivores?
you know that farms are not going to stop raising cattle and such for meat if the demand for it does not go down. thats why we try to spread the word on the truths about the meat, dairy and egg industries. even if you were to still eat the way you do, you should at least know what you put animals through for them to get on your plate.
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your right, no matter how much good we do, we will probably always be exploiting animals in some way. but that is no reason to not try at all. doing some good is better than sitting back and saying "oh, we will never get every bit of animal exploitation to stop. we might as well not bother helping them at all"
Would you care to look up statistics on animal deaths in an omnivore vs. vegan diet? In today's society, one can only do so much. Many vegans have their own gardens as well and try not to rely on the grocery store.
Would you eat that cat in your avatar?If not then why eat other animals?
-Half of the water used in the U.S. is used for animal agriculture.
-Every year in the US an area the size of Connecticut is lost to topsoil erosion--85% of this erosion is associated with livestock production.
-Livestock already consume half the world's grain, and their numbers are still growing almost exponentially.
-Every kilogram of beef we consume, according to research by the agronomists David Pimental and Robert Goodland, requires around 100,000 litres of water.
-Approximately 1.3 billion cattle populate the earth at any one time. They exist artificially in these vast numbers to satisfy the excessive human demand for the meat and by-products they provide. Their combined weight exceeds that of the entire human population. By sheer numbers, their consequent appetite for the world's resources, have made them a primary cause for the destruction of the environment.
-In the US, feedlot cattle yield one pound of meat for every 16 pounds of feed. It takes an average of 2,500 gallons of water to produce a single pound of meat. In contrast, it takes only 25 gallons of water to produce one pound of wheat. Feeding the average meat-eating American requires 3-1/4 acres of land per year.
-Feeding a person who eats no food derived from animals requires only 1/6 acre per year. - Studies by North Carolina State University estimate that half of the some 2,500 open hog manure cesspools (euphemistically termed "lagoons"), now needed as part of hog productions there, are leaking contaminants such as nitrate--a chemical linked to blue-baby syndrome--into the ground water.
-Worldwide demand for fish, along with advances in fishing methods--sonar, driftnets, floating refrigerated fish packing factories--is bringing ocean species, one after another, to the brink of extinction. In the Nov., '95 edition of Scientific American, Carl Safina writes, "For the past two decades, the fishing industry has had increasingly to face the result of extracting [fish] faster than fish populations [can] reproduce." Research reveals that the intended cure--aquaculture (fish farming)--actually hastens the trend toward fish extinction, while disrupting delicate coastal ecosystems at the same time.
-A scientist, reporting in the industry publication Confinement, calculated in 1976 that the planet's entire petroleum reserves would be exhausted in 13 years if the whole world were to take on the diet and technological methods of farming used in the US.
-If tomorrow people in the US made a radical change away from their meat-centered diets, an area of land the size of all of Texas and most of Oklahoma could be returned to forest.
-It is estimated that livestock production accounts for twice the amount of pollution in the US as that produced by industrial sources.
-Livestock in the US produce 130 times the excrement of the entire US population. Since farm animals today spend much or all of their lives in factory sheds or feedlots, their waste no longer serves to fertilize pastures a little at a time. One poultry researcher, according to United Poultry Concerns literature, explains: "A one-million-hen complex will produce 125 tons of wet manure a day." To responsibly store, disperse, or degrade this amount of animal waste is simply not possible. Much of the waste inevitably is flushed into rivers and streams.
-Methane is one of the four greenhouse gasses that contributes to the environmental trend known as global warming. The 1.3 billion cattle in the world produce one fifth of all the methane emitted into the atmosphere.
-.Agricultural engineers have compared the energy costs of producing poultry, pork and other meats with the energy costs of producing a number of plant foods. It was found that even the least efficient plant food was nearly 10 times as efficient in returning food energy as the most energy efficient animal food.
-Since so much fossil fuel is needed to produce it, beef could be considered a petroleum product. With factory housing, irrigation, trucking, and refrigeration, as well as petrochemical fertilizer production requiring vast amounts of energy, approximately one gallon of gasoline goes into every pound of grain-fed beef.
-The direct and hidden costs of soil erosion and runoff in the US, mostly attributable to cattle and feed crop production, is estimated at $44 billion a year.
- Each pound of feedlot beef can be equated with 35 pounds of eroded topsoil.
-A nationwide switch to a pure vegetarian diet would allow us to cut our oil imports by 60%.
-Compared to a vegan diet, three days of a typical American diet requires as much water as you use for showering all year (assuming you shower every day).
-An acre of land can produce 20,000 pounds of potatoes, but only 165 pounds of beef.
-In the U.S., 260 million acres of forest have been destroyed for use as agricultural land to support our meat diet (over 1 acre per person).
-Since 1967, the rate of deforestation has been one acre every five seconds.
-Trees are being cut down at an alarming rate in the US, as well as around the world, for meat production. For every one acre cleared for urban development, seven acres are cleared to graze animals or grow feed for them.
Actually, more deforestation occurs as a result of clearing land to make room for cows than vegetables. Sure, veganism still does destroy some habitats, but not nearly as many as factory farming does.
We do the best we can. I think you need to reevaluate your way of thinking if someone's diet bothers you. It's my choice to be vegan, and I'm not forcing this on you, so why come into a topic for us, and attack our views? I wouldn't go into some religious forum and randomly attack what they believe in. Would you? I think it's a bit rude.
Take care.
I love animals, But I do like to eat them too. I just recently came to realize that I can't, or a big group of activists can't change the fact that animals WILL be killed for Human consumption. It's too big to change, it is what it is so deal with it. If you couldn't tell, I'm not a vegan.
because suffering is suffering. when your dog gets injured he whines, when a pig has his throat cut he screams and fights for life. i cannot eat something that screamed something that had a social structure something that feels and remembers.
and about veggies, i have a nice garden and only eat organics which rely on crop rotation which includes letting the land lie fallow rather than synthetic pesticides and fertilizers.
burger king is one of the largest destroyers of tropical rainforest land. they buy cheap rainforest land in central america and pay locals to burn it to plant grass and then raise and slaughter cheap cows and bring it back to the states to serve cheap burgers.
If you have such issues with what Vegan's do, stop coming into this section that has nothing to do with what is on your plate.
PS: Many, Many more acres of land is used in the meat industry then growing vegetables. Please educate yourself since you have obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
Coke cat, I seen the video's, its murder, plain an simple!
I agree that people should focus there concern on the meat industry, which is what I am trying to figure out, there has got to be a more ethical way of doing this, but again, it is murder!
Is it going to stop me from eating meat? No! I don't think that will help either, but there has to be a middle ground solution, the problem is finding it!
And I wouldn't attack vegans, you will not win! Open your mind to there idea's, you don't have to agree with them, but look closely and gain an understanding, maybe then you can help find that middle ground.
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we are not "specifically targeting omnivores" some of us have tried to change the farming industries it dose not work!!!!! i got on why don't you go to another Bord then if you don't like veggies and vegans!!!!
i go with veggie go to another bord then!!!!