Why do a lot of Vegans not eat eggs and yet are not against abortions?!
Why do a lot of Vegans not eat eggs and yet are not against abortions?
I'm not asking this to start an abortion debate (though I'm sure it will come out). I am just curious what the rational is that says its not alright to eat eggs, but its okay to have an abortion. Please be respectful and remember I am not attacking any group I am just generally curious. Thanks!
Answers:
Let's just start off by saying that eating chicken eggs is not the equivalent of an abortion and not all vegans are in agreement with the practice of abortion.
Those who are completely vegetarian do not eat eggs or any animal products. Veganism is a total philosophy and not merely a dietary choice. Ahimsa is the philosophy that most vegans would identify with. It basically means that you try to minimize amount of harm you do in the world.
The reason eggs are an issue in veganism is the treatment of the hens and chicks and not the eggs themselves, other than the fact that some people do not consume eggs due to health reasons/allergies. This is also the reasoning behind not drinking milk. It is the treatment of the cows and calves.
The conditions in a "factory farm" for any type of animal are appalling. Even free range animals are ultimately killed and done uneccessary harm. Eating eggs and other animal products, no matter what they are, contributes to animal and human suffering. This is the reason why vegans do not, for the most part, wear leather, fur, silk, wool or other fabrics made from animals or parts of animals. Many vegans also try to purchase organic products and items that are fair trade. This is done to try to minimize human and environmental harm.
Abortion is a sticky subject. I am a vegan who would not have an abortion. That being said, I still believe other women should have that right. It is not my place to judge others or increase their suffering by forcing my opinion on them. Some women are not mentally or financially capable of taking care of a(nother) child. This would cause suffering for that individual and possibly the rest of her family. While I am morally opposed to abortion as a vegan, I respect someone else's right to make their own decision.
Veganism teaches tolerance. This is tolerance of religious and political opinion. No vegan is the same as another vegan. They may subscribe to the same philosophy but their interpretations may vary widely. I actually credit my change in views on abortion with my becoming vegan about 4 years ago. Before this, I had never thought about it much. I probably would have had an abortion if I had an unwanted preganancy.
Because vegans don't eat animals or animal products and eggs are an animal product.
I'm curious to know why you catergorized your Q in food and beverage.
How do you know a lot of vegans are not against abortions? Yeah I'm sure this will turn all political ::puts on armor gear:: good luck
two totally different agendas here.You are suggesting that a chicken has the same value as human life ! or at the least suggesting that all vegans are 'pro life', they are not, some are pro life vegans, some pro abortion vegans, some vegans because they dont like the taste of egg/meat, some because they its a health issue and certainly some are vegans because they dont like the fact an animal has died for their consumption.Are you also suggesting then that because I eat meat,and endorse the killing of animals for our food that I am pro abortion ? Not sure where you draw your comparisons from,and if you wanted a debate on abortion you should have just started one!
The problem with your question is that you cite no sources for your statements. You make claims but offer no verifiable proof for any of them.
Are you working from hearsay? Have you read something in a publication or online that leads you to believe what you're saying is true? It's hard to follow your leap of logic from one issue to a completely unrelated one.
Please cite the sources for your claims. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe that vegans are any more or less pro-choice than any other group.
I don't agree with it. So I guess the answer is... they don't, necessarily. However, a possible answer for someone like that may be... They don't feel that the woman's body is any of their business, under any circumstances? Or possibly because they are heartless, soul-eating baby killers? Could be either, I guess.
Yes eggs are chicken embryos but I believe there is no rooster in the hen house so the eggs will never become chickens. I don't see any relationship between eating eggs and abortions since no chickens or future chickens were harmed in preparing my breakfast.
loaded question.
those against it for ethical reasons generally probsbly asre agsinst abortions
Many vegans do not exploit animals in any way, for personal use or consumption. Abortion is a question of doing something with one's own body, not anothers.
I doubt there are any more of them for or against than us no vegans. wrong category dude.....
First of all, vegans do not eat dairy products. So, no eggs, cheese, milk, etc. They do not eat meat, chicken or fish. Basically vegans do not eat animal products at all.
Some vegatarians do eat dairy products.
Many vegans and vegetarians do not eat meat due to health reasons, others for animal's rights.
Abortion is a whole other issue. It has NOTHING to do with eating habits.
Any person who is pro-choice is, by definition, not a vegan. Just like anyone who eats fish* is not a vegetarian, but some of those people sure like to call themselves vegetarians anyway.
*For the record, a person who eats no meat except for seafood animals is called a "pescetarian". A vegan who condones abortion is called a "hypocrite".
Your second sentence is a lie, you came here looking for a fight and I'm happy to give you one
Do you know *anyone* that is actually PRO-abortion???? I'm going to assume you're anti-choice as I answer your question in excruciating detail..
I support a woman's right to choose what to do with *her* body. I would prefer that safe, affordable, effective and available contraception be used but since in most areas you anti-choicers also block that it means that occasionally the choice is between two ruined lives (the mother and the potential child) or one. If you hypocrites would support contraception there would be fewer abortions, get it?
Why don't you people support research into fetal transplants? That way the fetus could be transplanted into your bodies for the remaining term and you can then support the child for 18+ years. Maleness is no excuse here since men's abdomens are perfectly capable of growing a fetus
After you've carried an unwanted fetus I'll be much more likely to listen to any argument you may pose about "killin' babies".
You *do* realize that 4 out of 5 fertilized eggs are naturally 'aborted' within the first week? Under y'alls normal idiotic statements that would make your g_d the largest abortionist! If your g_d really hated abortion why isn't "he" saving all those other babies? Huh?
Assuming we follow the 'right to lifers' arguments against contraception and ban all abortions there are going to be a LOT more people on this already overcrowded planet. You folks better get on the veggie bandwagon because you're going to need to feed a LOT of babies and we've already got several billion starving people that could use the grains that are going to support the meat industry!
I'm sure you folks won't mind if we increase your taxes to pay for the care of all those kids, will you? By the way...why do we still have orphanages? Seems like you people would have already adopted all those kids that were born unwanted since you *guys* are so big on carrying the fetus to term and then putting the baby up for adoption! Put your money where your mouth is and adopt a bunch of kids, then we can talk!
Are you one of those 'pro-life' types that are drooling over nuclear Armageddon in the mid-east? That's looking forward to your 'compassionate' g_d coming and slaying (murdering) all the non-believers? That's another common theme among y'all!
Can you PLEASE cite just ONE example of a veggie that is pro-abortion? No one *wants* abortion, least of all us veggies that show a lot more respect for life than you meat eating 'pro-life' types (I'm sure the irony escapes you). Yes, many veggies support a woman's right to choose what to do with her body, that has no bearing on our dietary choices.
Why don't you people show a little more respect for the lives of all our fellow animals by not killing and eating them?
Since no on here seems to understand the question being asked, let me clarify.
ALL types of people hold pro-lifers and pro-choices. SOME of those people HAPPEN to be vegan. So....why, if one is vegan, would they be against the eating (or killing) of a baby chicken egg and still be OK with an abortion (or killing) of a baby human egg.
Read the question before you answer. NO personal opinions were given in this question so no drama needed. JUST ANSWER the question, SOMEONE! I wanna know!
Some humans choose to have abortions, others don't. Legalising human abortion doesn't make it compulsory for everyone to have one. Hens in the egg industry don't have any choice in whether they produce eggs or not. The eggs produced by battery cage hens are not fertilized.
If you consider the matter logically, there is no real comparison between a human foetus and an un-fertilized hen's egg. Vegans don't eat eggs because whether battery-cage or free range, the hen that produces them is eventually slaughtered as are male chicks.
OK, first of all, good question but there are two flaws in it.
1. You assume a lot of vegans are pro-choice. How do you really know this?
2. I am NOT pro-choice. Does this mean I work actively towards stopping women from aborting their babies? No, while I think it is a wrong thing to do, I don't want to change people. Nor do I tell them to stop eating eggs.
If there's a vegan who a) goes around telling people to stop eating eggs *and* b) does not go around telling people to stop aborting their babies, then he/she might be a hypocrite. But how many of these have you met? Besides, even if such a vegan existed, s/he might not be pro choice. S/he might just decide that there are plenty of anti-abortion activists and that their time is better devoted to helping animals.
For an analogy, if everyone went around helping the poor in Africa, and I only helped the homeless on my street, does it mean I don't care about the people in Africa? No but I decide that the most neglected group gets my attention *first*.
First of all, NO vegans eat eggs. Vegetarians may, but vegans never do. Secondly, a person can choose to be vegan for many different reasons--concern for animal welfare, concern for their own personal health, or other reasons that I won't delve into. As far as I can tell, none of these reasons conflict ideologically with the idea that a woman should have agency over her own body.
Ok, first of all I'm offended by the question. What a person chooses to eat or not to eat does not determine their whole political stance. For instance, if a woman is raped or becomes pregnant with a baby with a severe birth defect, she very well may choose to abort the pregnancy, and what she eats is most likely not at all a factor in her decision.
Wow, you really opened a can of worms.
I have to agree with other posters that I'm not sure where you got your evidence that "a lot" of vegans aren't anti-abortion.
Being a vegan involves not eating eggs - no-one is denying that. I think what it boils down to, yet again, is the question of choice. Most vegans I know are vegan because they do not believe we have the right to exploit animals, either by killing them, taking their milk, honey, eggs etc, and that is specifically because the animal involved is not given the choice whether to have that happen to them or not.
With abortion, it becomes a little more complicated I would say. You have the mother who wishes to have the choice of what to do with her body. However, you then get into the realms of what would the baby want. If you were able to ask the baby if it wished to be aborted, what would it say? But of course you can't actually ask it. So you'll never know.
On the basis of both those paragraphs, I would always err on the side of caution. I would assume the animal does not wish to be killed, or have its eggs etc taken away, so I would not do that. I would also assume that the baby would like to live, so I would not abort.
I'm not sure you'll necessarily find any consistent abortion view amongst vegans, any more than with any other group of the population.
They are both very subjective things which people generally make their minds up on based on their own personal opinions.
PS - To the poster "Yes they are my real boobs" - your first sentence says that you think the asker is suggesting that a chicken has the same value as a human life. I think you've just hit the nail on the had as far as many vegans are concerned. I personally believe that every living thing is as important as the next one, so yes, a chicken is just as important as a human.
abortion isn't ok, eating eggs is healthy, get cracking!
Vegan's dont eat eggs. Some vegetarians do but the eggs eaten are not fertilized. What a woman does to her body is none of my business and has nothing to do with my diet choices.
I can turn the question around and ask why pro-lifers think it's OK to slaughter animals and eat them. One has nothing to do with the other.
For those that fit within the parameters of your question - a very confused person.
To have respect for a chicken egg over a human egg would suggest that such a person has issues that need to be dealt with to be consistent.