Should I contact child welfare regarding vegan children?!
Should I contact child welfare regarding vegan children?
My neighbors are forcing their children to eat a vegan diet and I am concerned for their health. I read about a baby who died on the vegan diet. Here is the link to this horrific story. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12...
Additional Details4 months ago
I just went over to their house and their kids look pale and thin. I am going to call for sure now because those kids look sickely. This vegan cult diet is dangerous.
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4 months ago
I just went over to their house and their kids look pale and thin. I am going to call for sure now because those kids look sickely. This vegan cult diet is dangerous.
Hi FHG! I see you're back from your enforced 1 week vacation (suspension). The prions must be really eating your brain now since you asked this same question last year or is it that you have a case of flu from eating turkey! C'mon guy! Go dig through espace for some new troll material to harass us with. Did you know the prosecutor in the case was a *real* vegan? Why didn't you post the article about the parents being members of a fundamentalist religious sect? Didn't you know the child suffered from a genetic defect and had no thymus gland? Did you know that most children born without a thymus gland die earlier than the child in question or that the rest of the families children were ruled healthy?
And finally did you know the couple was cleared of ALL charges of abuse?
I'd advise you to get your facts in order in your future attempts at trolling!!
Edit: I missed a line in there somehow. After the line about them being in a religious sect there should have been a statement about how FHG could then have trolled the religion section with the same stupid question!
Source(s):
http://www.meta-religion.com/new_religio...
http://www.courttv.com/trials/andressohn...
http://www.rawfoodinfo.com/hotline/nov05...
I think you should butt out of their business. They are raising their children the way they want and are not out to hurt them. Why would they raise their children to be something they themselves can't believe in?
As long as the childis being fed a wide and varied healthy diet. They are just trying to bring their kids up to believe in what they believe as most parents do.
No I wouldn’t call children services. They have chosen this lifestyle for their family and its their right. They might be giving their children extra vitamins to make up for the meat that they choose not to eat. You have no idea what they really eat. If you’re truly concerned try and bring up in a conversation to see if they get extra vitamins. Many vegetarian foods today have the extra nutrients you need for a healthy diet.
I don't think it's so much the vegan diet but the parents in that story. Obviously they just didn't follow advice properly, I doubt they hardly fed any of their children. You can follow a healthy vegan diet without starving yourself.
as long as they are being fed and cared for, then i think you should just leave this family alone, it is up to them how they raise their kids.
if you know your neighbor well you should go round there and tell her that you are concerned and maby show her the artical that was attached to this question. If you do not know them that well then you should alert child welfare with your concerns and like one of the previous answers let them deal with it.
If you feel that concern and worring about the childern then yes, But i thought veges was good for you alot of people dont eat meet, so i don't know what to tell you......... if the childern look hungry try to find out more about the laws in your state.
This is, quite frankly, none of your business. Because the news sensationalized one case doesn't mean all vegans and their children are in danger.
I have known many vegetarians and vegans all of whom have raised their children with their beliefs. Not one child has died or been malnourished in any way.
Let your neighbors raise their child as they see fit; they could call child services and report that you are poisoning your children by forcing them to eat meat. Live and let live.
Would you feel tempted if your neighbours ate meat and their children grew up on chips, crisps, junk food and burgers? How do you know they "force" their children to eat vegan?
Vegan or not, all children need a carefully planned and balanced diet, and I can assure you that these children might eat helthier than other kids their age.
If a child's diet contains enough calories, normal growth and development can be expected and studies of vegan children have shown that their caloric intake is close to recommended levels and similar to intakes of non-vegan children of the same age.
Protein needs can be easily met if children eat a variety of plant foods and have an adequate intake of calories. It is unnecessary to plan and complement amino acids precisely within each meal so long as children eat a variety of foods each day. Sources of protein for vegan children include pulses (peas, beans, lentils, soya), grains (wheat, oats, rice, barley, buckwheat, millet, pasta, bread), nuts, meat substitutes and nut butters.
Calcium is an important nutrient for growing bones and teeth. Good sources include fortified non-dairy milks and juices, calcium-set tofu, baked beans and dark green leafy vegetables low in oxalic acid such as spring greens and kale. Calcium supplementation may be indicated in cases of inadequate dietary intake.
Children regularly exposed to sunlight under appropriate conditions (two to three times per week for about 20-30 minutes on hands and face) appear to have no dietary requirement for vitamin D. Those children who have limited exposure to sunlight or who are dark skinned and have no dietary source of vitamin D require supplements. Only a few foods naturally contain vitamin D (D3, cholecalciferol) and all of these are animal products. Vitamin D3 is usually obtained from lanolin, which is derived from sheep's wool and therefore not acceptable to vegans. Foods fortified with a vegan source of vitamin D (D2, ergocalciferol) include argarine, some non-dairy milks and fortified breakfast cereals.
So I suggest you make sure that these children are indeed "in danger" before you interfere with your neighbours' life and life style.
If you look at the Seventh Day Adventist's, they have been successfully raising healthy children for decades on vegan diets. Just because it is vegan does not mean it lacks nutritional value. More children die from NOT being fed than from being fed so I wouldn't worry about your neighbors kids. You obviously know they are eating.
It is strange that you would regard veganism as child abuse- unless their growth and development seems significantly retarded for their age. In that case, you should probably notify child welfare regardless of what you believe their diet to be. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing a vegan lifestyle. Although, it does take some effort to ensure that vegan children get all of the vitamins and nutrients that are needed to develop properly. I would be more likely to call child welfare on parents whose children were obese and being fed nothing but junk food. Those children would be at a greater risk of malnutrition than vegans.
If the vegan diet killed children the Jain religion would have died off years ago, but in fact it is the oldest continued religion in the world.
After looking at your history, I realize you are here to harass the vegetarian/vegan community, you will be getting a message from yahoo about this practice.
I suggest to all to view his history, and complain if they feel it is necessary. BTW - his mother in law died from a vegan diet in another answer of his.
He must work for Hormel.
Dude get a life.
You wouldn't bat an eyelash if the kids were obese. You would consider them "well fed" rather than slowly dying. Which is what they are.
It's funny. How we are as a nation. We aspire to be thin. We oogle the thin and beautiful. But then we belittle them. Call them names like anorexic.
Then we frown on the fat. But for some reason consider them healthy. When what they are is dying. Heart disease. Diabetes. High blood pressure.
Look around you. How many fat kids are there on your street - and you never give them a second thought.
Vegan is a good, especially for babies who need the most nutrients. I know about that story, but I'd like to know all of the facts that they don't share with us. There must be more to the story. When you eat vegan, it's best to eat raw. I have a sister who feeds her children raw-vegan and another sister who feeds her children the standard diet that the pyramid suggests. My vegan sister's children are the healthiest kids I have ever seen. They are strong, rarely get ill, sleep well and have good teeth. My other sister, whom I love very much, feeds her kids cooked food, meat, milk, etc. Her kids always have runny noses, get sick whenever sickness is going around, don't sleep well, cavities, dull (not shiny) hair. Anyways, the comparisons are like night and day and they go on and on. When I eat raw vegan, I feel really good. When I have children, I will definately feed them raw vegan. Heres some good web sites. There's more out there. Also, remember that plenty of kids die that eat the standard american diet. Nobody blames their deaths on that diet.
I understand why you are concerned. I think that's good of you to notice that the children are looking sickly. But you know...most people today ignore those signs because they don't think it's their business, then something happens. Let's just say you are human for being concerned, but when it comes down to it, it's the parents choice as to what their children's diets are. If they end up killing their children...well that's their problem. The attitude of society today is to let people do whatever they want...even at the expense of perhaps...a life. I wouldn't even get wrapped up in it if I were you. It's a waste of your time and will cause you problems with your neighbors.
This is the umpteenth time you have posted this question with your fake newspaper foxie!! Yawwwwwn! Yes, report them and they will LAUGH in your face!!!!
I think you should call social services. I may be in the minority but too many people are afraid to get involved. It is not that I am against a vegan diet (when used properly, which can be extremely difficult for children), I am against child abuse in any way shape of form, if your gut is saying something is not right, I would call..
First of all, Vegans are not a "cult". Some people take it to the extreme, but really its just a choice. My little girl is vegan, but I didnt start that until she was two, which is what my pediatrician advised me to do. She is healthy and strong as an ox!! Its sad that there are some people who go to extreme levels with their children.
I think someone should have called children's services on your parents when they were raising you. Maybe you wouldn't have turned out so poorly.
Besides these people are so overworked with child-abusers and child-rapists that I think they would beat you up in an alley for wasting their time.
I think you are looney. the article was talking about little BABY who would normally be nursing or on formula to any normal vegan. Thousands of vegan CHILDREN (not infants) are raised every year and grow up quite healthy (and their doctors know about it and think they are quite healthy too.) so don't post your right wing B.S. llinks here trying to convince people that vegans are looney because I can give you quite a few looney right wing parents who do stupid things like lock their kids in cages.
However I have a feeling you are just totally full of it and making this up so I hope people ignore you or report your post to get your post off of here.
Foxie, darlin', I keep tellin' ya, you've got to move out of Veganville for your own mental health. All these pale, sickly kids and friends of yours must really be rough on your poor nerves!
I mean, you almost lost a friend because you didn't bother to look up non-meat sources of iron for her. And now those poor little kids down the street. . .how can you stand being the only meat eater surrounded by all those vegans and vegetarians?
Incidentally, if you *do* call Child Services about the family, you'd best make sure that the kids are as bad off as you claim that they are. Since you're apparently the only meat eater in a fifteen mile radius, the family's going to know who called, and you'll have opened yourself up for some nasty lawsuits.
Anyway, I'd better let you go. . .I think I hear Mama Foxie calling to let you know that the pork chops and sauerkraut are done. Just make sure to close all the doors and windows while you're eating -- we don't want all those mean, vicious, child-abusing vegans to gang up on you.
Get a life foxhunter and stop trying to insult vegetarians and vegans with your ignorant comments and made up questions.
And straight away afterwards be sure to turn yourself in to 'un-funny morons anonymous'
Hey, I've also read about millions of fat people dying everyday because of their ignorant diet! (And, gee, I also read about someone getting stabbed with a knife, so we better ban all knives now! And did you know someone got electrocuted, so we should just ban electrical stuff!)...(((shaking head)))...I think you get my point...
Listen, why don't we focus on the obvious negative effects of gorging on meats, processed foods, drive-thru garbage, pop, etc.? Like everybody else replied, you need to stalk the rest of your community and get on the case of the over-abundance of fat people plaguing this society. It is an epidemic, which means we are at a crisis point. It's getting so bad that X-rays can't even pass through fat people, because they are too dense! You need to stop a parent before he or she feeds his or her child one of those seemingly cute "Happy Meals," before you rush to stop a parent feeding his or her child fresh vegetables.
The epidemic of obesity is certainly not from people eating a vegetarian diet! Pay attention to what they're eating, and you'll obviously see it's the opposite. Kids can be abused/neglected because of the ignorance of a parent, in terms of ANY diet--but that doesn't mean the diet classification itself is wrong. In other words (since I might be using too big of words for you), vegetarianism in itself is not a bad thing. Nor is someone who chooses to, say, eat lots of fish in their diet, etc.
BUT, if the diet is abused and improperly executed, it is, of course, going to have its repercussions. Balance is the key, and if honed right, a vegetarian diet has amazing benefits. This takes practice, since alternative sources of vitamins and minerals must be sourced...but it is done all the time by many. The body gets sufficient amounts of what it needs to grow and thrive. Remember--God made us OMNIVORES, which means we can easily thrive without animal products.
So, don't assume that vegetarianism is the culprit. It's HOW the choice is practiced, which determines whether it is "bad" or "good" for the kids. And that has to do with the parents being properly educated and informed on vegetarianism, so that their execution of it is therefore proper. Additionally, there are many other factors for each and every individual on this planet, that requires alterations of their diet. Millions of people have disorders/diseases, etc. which require unique, oddball variations of what you might be boxed into assuming every human should just eat universally.
if the children were being abused then yes . but as they are not no.you do not know for a fact they are being forced a vegan diet. should we all report parents who force their kids to eat meat. even brussell sprouts.
I think a point you are missing here is a BAD diet may be leading to poor health. Vegan diet is in no way a cult diet or a diet that can be considered child abuse. In this specific case it may be they are not getting protein or the right vitamins which could equally happen in a non vegan diet. There are many vegan children who are perfectly healthy there are books written by nutritionists and scientists on bringing a child up on a vegan diet and there is nothing in a non vegan diet that can not be found in a plant based diet. I fully understand your concerns if these children are ill and maybe they need some help and advice on nutrition. I just wanted to emphasise it is not because they are vegan it is a bad diet. I have been vegan for 3 years and I have had more energy been more healthy and have put on weight, but that is because I fully researched it before I made my decision and I make sure I get all the things I need for a healthy diet without taking supplements.
I find it amusing that you claim to know so many vegans. Those people in the article obviously not know what they were doing. Liquidized raw vegetables are not nutritionally complete..thats why those kids were sick. I don't know any vegans that just eat vegetables.
If those kids were just fed meat and nothing else, they would be sick as well.
Obviously, you view being vegan as a cult, therefore, you are not qualified to judge whether it is healthy or not. So long as a vegan diet consists of a good variety of protein and other sources, it is probably the most healthy way of eating that there is.
As another poster stated, there are way too many obese kids out there...are you going to report them, too?? That is much more abusive than a vegan diet.
Frankly, butt out, get a life and find something actually useful to worry about.
I think you should either mind your own business or if you insist on interfering then speak to the children's parents before you do anything else. Imagine if your concerns are undue? What will you have started then? Do you know they're 'forcing' them- I assume before taking such drastic action you have established this as fact. Calling welfare seems seriously over the top to me.
I'm not sure child welfare would take you seriously anyway.
Also, if you call welfare because essentially you disagree with your neighbours' childrens' diet then I hope you call all the parents of obese and overweight children. And the parents of kids eating McDonalds, and the parents of kids you see drinking a can of coke, and kids eating crisps.
Work out what's actually happening first- speak to your neighbours at the very least. Educate yourself too- find out what a vegan diet actually entails for children, whether it is as nutrionally unsound as you think it is. You'll look like a stickybeaked idiot if you just go slinging wild accusations around.