To all vegetarians/vegans...?!
To all vegetarians/vegans...?
I am not vegetarian or vegan, and I don't mean to offend anyone who is, because I respect other people's opinions (unless it is about the Kooks...), but there is something that I am intrigued by...
This really only applies to people who object to eating meat on a moral basis - it is wrong to kill etc. but feel free to answer if you do not believe this.
Many vegetarians have tried to convince me that eating meat is bad because it is killing animals etc, but what about other animals that eat animals? Should we try to stop lions eating zebras? Because that is the same thing, and surely therefore is just as bad as humans eating meat. Am I right? Or just confused?
2 months ago
PLEASE! Read the question carefully. I am not asking why people are vegetarian. I am asking whether people who don't eat meat because they object to the KILLING of animals think that it is OK for other animals to eat animals. NOT people who object to the conditions they are kept it.
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2 months ago
PLEASE! Read the question carefully. I am not asking why people are vegetarian. I am asking whether people who don't eat meat because they object to the KILLING of animals think that it is OK for other animals to eat animals. NOT people who object to the conditions they are kept it.
I am not going to be rude to you, since you asked the question in a respectful manner and it is not a complete joke, this doesn't happen too often.
Ok, you have to keep in mind that we do not obtain our meat naturally... when a lion hunts and kills a zebra, he is doing it to survive, because that is his only sourse of food. That, I would consider, part of the food chain.
Humans have all of the resourses necessary to live a healthy vegetarian/ vegan lifestyle, we do not need meat to survive... but yet we subject animals to horrible unnatural conditions, for no reason... Going out and buying meat that has already been killed/ cooked-half the time- Is not natural...
We subject these poor innocent animals to horrible lives, for No reason at all... because the meat and dairy industry convince people that meat and milk is great for them... and because people just don't care about what happens to chickens and cows... I guess.
Hope this helped.
Your right! Killing an animal is killing an animal no matter if we humans do it or another animal. We humans are mammals you know.
No, I do not belive that it is wrong to kill animals for food, and I am a veggie.
i am a vegetarian . and i only dont eat meat because i dont beleive in the conditions animals are kept in for consumption . eg. chicken battery faming .
But then its just a personal choice.
well thats true but i dont know its not only cause i dont like killing animals meats is so ugly looking and it has hella fat and **** on it
.....LOL i love my meat!!!!
I think the main problem is that lions aren't too good at holding a spoon to eat their rice puddings
I'm not vegan, but I think it has to do with the mass-production of animals for the sole purpose of slaughtering them for food, along with the way in which the animals are raised and killed. I don't think vegans get mad at tigers for killing and eating another animals. :-)
"Should we try to stop lions eating zebras?"
Yes, yes you should. You head on over to Africa and give those lions a piece of your mind. I'm sure they'll find it tasty, LOL!
;P
Our family's moral basis for choosing vegetarianism has to do with the inhumane way animals are treated in factory farms.
I am a vegetarian because I believe that it is immoral to eat animals from mass-produced beef, chicken, or pork farms. There is a HUGE difference between a lion catching its dinner and housing thousands of chickens in small crates, feeding them chemically laden food, and dirty water.....food filled with drugs to make them so heavy that they can't stand. Not to mention the abuse of the animals and the way they are killed......often still living and breathing when they are dunked into boiling water to remove their feathers. Do you see the difference? I only spoke of chickens......the same abuse is seen with pigs and cows. Watch some PETA videos and you won't ask this question again. ADDITIONAL RESPONSE: No. Animals killing animals is not wrong. They are only responding to their NATURAL instincts. Lions would be UNABLE to survive if they looked for lettuce, tomatoes, or carrots in the grasslands. Come on!
I am a vegetarian (not on a moral basis) Just that the thought of eating meat grosses me out. But I think many Vegetarians believe it's not O.K. for humans to eat animals because we are evolved enough to make that decision we "know better" and wild animals don't. They are just trying to keep their species alive.
There are animals that are made to kill other animals and eat them. Lions are given the claws and teeth as well as size and digestive system to catch and eat pray. They are carnivores. We are not given any ability "naturally" to perform the same tasks. We also do not have a digestive system that can process meat. That is why carnivores need a lot of protein in their diet. It is to try and push the flesh through the system. We are meant to be herbivores and live well that way.
i'm offended
eating animal for food is wrong
I am not a vegeterian or vegan either, but consider this....
Humans have an option of eating either meat or plant life - because we're omnivores and have the mental capacity to make the choice. If some people have a moral objection to eating meat because they think it is inhumane, then by all means let them choose how they want to eat.
Animals in the wild, however and for example, do not have this choice. There is no way to make a lion all of a sudden braise some broccoli to forsake the local zebra pack for a quick snack. And to base this in a true vegan sense, there's no way to tell a shark to visit the local Japanese restaurant for a nice, fresh seaweed salad instead of having a clownfish chowdown.
People that are vegetarians because of killing or the way animals are kept don't have very demanding jobs and can therefor do pointless acts like these.
I'm a vegetarian, not because of any moral thing, but over the fact it takes so long for meat to digest that its a health risk.
Ok...my opinion...We as human beings are MEANT to eat meat. If we weren't, our teeth would be so much differen then they are now. For example, if you look at dinsoaurs (And I know I'm going way back but only example I can think of) who ate meat and then the ones who did not you'd see the difference in the way their teeth are shaped. It is not WRONG to kill animals for meat because as humans our body needs that. We need it for the protein and every thing else. What I don't understand about so called "vegetarians" is they won't EAT meat yet they'll drink milk or eat eggs or whatever and to me that's still eating meat because its' coming from an animal, even if it may be alive, it's still from an animal. Another thing, some vegetarians eat chicken and say it's ok, ugh no it's still meat and you want to talk about a painful way to die by getting some meat, look at the chickens you eat from. But in any case, I LOVE MEAT!!!!
Hello, I`m from Russia, and out of my 32, 16 years I'm vegetarian. I was planning to be that after I`ll be 20 for health purpose, but this decision I took earlier and due to ethic understanding.
We are not animals, at first, right? We have mind, hands and consciousness.
Secondly, we have as if offer from the nature when we see fruits and vegetables in their full ripeness - in contrary no animal invite us to kill him.
Thirdly. Our all digestive system, either being extremely strong to digest anything, still, its not of a carnivorous. teeth's, way of chewing, saliva, gastric juices (alkaline), length of a bowls - all indicate on that our nature.
fourthly. Environmental pollution due to this industries - I`m silent abt that
But what abt our own life - we get subtle curse from this innocent souls, being torched in life and slaughtered for our extra appetite. Its not human dignity. And we will pay for it. We already paying.
This were some thoughts, of course not all, but what came in mind at first.
Bye, Best wishes,
Anastasia
We don't NEED meat to survive like lions, etc do when killing their prey. Humans can survive without meat in their diets.
I think the big thing is the manner in which we kill and raise a lot of animals for meat is exceptionally cruel. I think a lot of people object because of the conditions in which the animals that are being raised to slaughter have to live in.
OK, to answer your question without getting on a soapbox. The other animals killing other animals are specifically designed to eat meat, if they are carnivores. Also, animals don't have awareness of life or consciousness as you do. There are ominvorous animals, but they don't have the same moral compass, or the same knowledge of life and death that you do.
Animals eat what tastes good, without wondering why. This is what makes you different than an animal.
Vegetarians ask the question why? Why eat other living creatures if you don't have to? That's the difference.
The thing people don't realize is, what do you think GROWS VEGGIES? Do you get your veggies at a local market? P&C, Hannafords, Price Chopper, etc etc? Do you go to the Amish and get your veggies? Do you realize what GROWS VEGGIES? 100% grow with fertilization from other animals, horses, cows, chickens etc. It's in the fertilizer we buy and it's in the fertilizer we get from our local farmers. Once we get it, we put it in our gardens to grow the veggies. What do you think happens to those cows and chickens and so? They are killed for human consumption. Where do those veggies go? They go into your stomach as well. No matter how you put it, if you have the common sense, you will realize you are "eatting" animals. Also, I want to state, if we DONT EAT MEAT the population will become so extreme it will be impossible to control. The deer in my area are SO EXTREME that even in the winter time they are out, and during the day light hours when 10 years ago they wouldn't think about it. Population of animals has become so extreme in the last few years, it's good to kill to an extent. And don't get me wrong, I love animals with all my heart, but sometimes we have to do things extreme.
You should have probably have put this in the philosophy section. However can I offer a couple of thoughts. One is that lions and wolves need meat to survive whereas humans don't. Another issue is that humans can make the choice whereas carnivores cannot. The final issues is that whereas humans are ethical creatures, and therefore it makes sense to have an moral stance on what they eat, most animals don't (chimps and bonobos are possible exceptions when it comes to morality, however even with them it is not nearly as advanced as with humans. )
We are different. We have a choice. Eating meat is indeed natural in the sense that other animals do it as well. In fact, it is even done on occasion by our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees. However, there are many other things which are also natural. For example, chimpanzee males sometimes rape the females in their tribe. Chimpanzees sometimes engage in organized warfare against other tribes with which they compete for territory. A chimpanzee male, in a moment of rage, sometimes picks up a nearby infant, and crushes his skull against a rock. And chimpanzees do on occasion eat meat, and they do on occasion engage in cannibalism, in spite of the fact that there is a plentiful supply of food from other sources.
So eating meat is indeed absolutely natural. However, the fact that it is natural does not imply that it is ethically permissible. If we believed that eating meat was ethically permissible simply because other animals did it as well, then this would imply that there is nothing wrong with rape, cannibalism, or infanticide, all of which routinely occurs throughout the animal kingdom.While carnivores take pleasure in killing animals and eating their raw flesh, any human who killed an animal with his or her bare hands and dug into the raw corpse would be considered deranged. Carnivorous animals are aroused by the scent of blood and the thrill of the chase. Most humans, on the other hand, are revolted by the sight of raw flesh and cannot tolerate hearing the screams of animals being ripped apart and killed. The bloody reality of eating animals is innately repulsive to us, more proof that we were not designed to eat meat.
Ask yourself: When you see dead animals on the side of the road, are you tempted to stop for a snack? Does the sight of a dead bird make you salivate? Do you daydream about killing cows with your bare hands and eating them raw? If you answered "no" to all of these questions, congratulations&emdash;you're a normal human herbivore&emdash;like it or not. Humans were simply not designed to eat meat. Humans lack both the physical characteristics of carnivores and the instinct that drives them to kill animals and devour their raw carcasses.
Human beings are carnivorous predators. This is clear from the way we are made. We have big canine teeth, forward-facing eyes and ears, big arms to catch things with, and plenty of digestive processes to deal with meat. Whoever said all those lies above has been duped or brainwashed by the vegan 'movement', which propagates lies about human biology in order to make meat-eating seem unnatural. It is not. Humans are bloodthirsty killers. Get over it.
The only viable reason to be vegan is for health reasons. People who have a moral objection to killing animals for food, are suffering from a mental illness. They are going against all that is natural about humans. We are meat-eaters. Sorry, but biology trumps misguided morality here, and we are no different from the animals in this respect. People who think otherwise need to get off their high horse and accept the fact that human beings are animals, and we aren't really that much 'better' than all the rest of the animals.
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This question is problematic on several grounds.
To prevent carnivores from killing, you'd need to kill them all -- which is wrong on several grounds.
I mean, how do you imagine this being done?
Even if you could, they'd all starve to death. They can't get the nourishment they need from plants. They evolved as meat-eaters and must eat meat.
They wouldn't see non-meat as food.
Even if you could get them to eat plants, their bodies wouldn't get their needs met without meat.
But the deeper problem is that animals simply are not moral creatures. They don't have any concept of right and wrong.
They do what they need to do to survive and raise their young.
Humans ARE moral creatures; and we don't NEED meat to survive. We have choices, and are capable of making moral judgments.
BTW, I'm not a vegetarian. I'd like to see us treat our food more humanely, but am not against eating meat.
I am not a vegetarian/vegan either, tho I suspect I might be if I had to kill an animal myself. As far as stopping meat eating animals from eating others, I doubt that would be possible. They probably could not survive eating salads. There are probably even some people that would not be healthy without meat. I read of a vegan who went blind because he was not getting certain nutrients in his diet. I think B-12 and some other very important nutrients we need come from meat.
No, I do not feel it is wrong to eat meat unless you "believe" it is wrong (by that I mean a sin against God.) Scripture does not disallow meat except in the case of conscious.
-We have an ability to show compassion.
-We are aware of ourselves and other animals.
-We know that animals are able to feel pain.
-Most cultures will agree that murder and torture are wrong.
-Our bodies are more adjusted to vegan diet, than meat. (long intestines like other herbivores)
- Not eating meat is natural. Many animals are herbivores.(so why do meat eaters always talk about lions?)
- A lion cant survive without meat. A human can.
-No other mammal but human drinks milk of another species.
-No other mammal drinks milk as an adult.
-Caveman didnt know about factory farming.
- Many of modern diseases like types of cancer, heart disease, etc,,,can be prevented with a healthy vegan diet.
- We can no longer claim to be part of nature, when the modern lifestyle goes directly against it.
- We are able to make a choice concerning our diet and lifestyle.
Conclusion: It is only natural, human and humane to abstain from meat. For the sake of animals we are torturing, for the sake of nature that is also losing, for our health and a peace of mind.
I have nothing against meat for human consumption. Hell, if i were alive 200 years ago i probably would eat meat. BUT, the meat industry DISGUSTS me these days. Do you know how many rainforests we have chopped down in order to make room for our EXTRAVAGENT meat consumption here in the US? It's disgusting. Animals are treated so badly in a lot of meat markets. That's why if you eat meat i highly suggest you eat ORGANIC.
I do believe there is still instinct to eat meat. But our ancestors ate a lot of veggies, too. We ate meat out of necessity, and would go days without eating because of scarcity. Humans pretty much ate ANYTHING edible back in the "cavemen days". But, contrary to popular belief, humans are not carnivores. We eat meat AND veggies. Lions and tigers(and bears, oh my! LOL) NEED meat to survive. We don't need it to survive. There are plenty of other foods that we can eat and feel just as good. Well, maybe not to all of you who cannot part with their steak and hamburgers.
So, it's a personal choice. Live and let live why don't ya. I mean, how can you bash someone like me and tell me i NEED meat when I don't even really like it that much? Just eat what you like..and eat organic.
I think it's disgusting, I think it's disgusting to eat was once was living flesh, animals that thought.. It's just gross, eating dead bodies, it's sick.
Also, I think physiologically we're not meant to be meat-eaters; our mouths are built like those of plant eaters, not meat eaters.
Anyhow, we are animals, but not animals that are built to eat meat... so, for a lion to kill a zebra, that's his nature, not humans.