What is it that makes one go even further and want to become Vegan?!
What is it that makes one go even further and want to become Vegan?
A Lacto/ Ovo Vegetarian has the best of all worlds. You can drink banana shakes, have cream for your coffee, eggs and hash browns in the morning, eggnog for Christmas, and all other kinds of other tasty wonderful things without ever murdering any animal.
Most of India, in fact, is even Lacto Vegetarian, and they can still have all kinds of yogurts and chai milk teas, etc.
Growing up American, I can't fool myself that I prefer a pile of green vegetables over all that, but I do have vegan friends there who are committed to no milk no eggs. What possible joy can you find in it?
1 month ago
I disagree soy milk is that good a replacement. One alternative would be to buy powdered Goat milk, not as tasty as cow, but easier to digest, and goat milk is usually from small scale farms, as Goats refuse to thrive in a feed lot setting. So, goat farmers have to raise them on their own terms. If you can find organic cow's milk even better. I feel nothing wrong with drinking cow's milk if the animal is treated well.
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1 month ago
I disagree soy milk is that good a replacement. One alternative would be to buy powdered Goat milk, not as tasty as cow, but easier to digest, and goat milk is usually from small scale farms, as Goats refuse to thrive in a feed lot setting. So, goat farmers have to raise them on their own terms. If you can find organic cow's milk even better. I feel nothing wrong with drinking cow's milk if the animal is treated well.
Well, I'm vegan, and I can drink a banana shake made with soy milk, have soy cream in my coffee, tofu scramble and hashbrowns in the morning, and soy eggnog for Christmas. I can also have soy yogurt, and soy chai.
It's not about what you can't have. It's about avoiding the cruel and unnecessary exploitation of animals that goes into producing milk and eggs as well as meat.
Try looking at these sites to understand more about what vegans eat. It's not all about piles of green veg.
EDIT: About Kosher meat, can someone please explain how it is more humane to kill an animal by slicing it's throat and letting it bleed to death, rather than stunning it and rendering it unconscious first?
Source(s):
http://www.vegweb.com
http://www.peta2.com
http://www.veganessentials.com
http://www.hedweb.com/hillman/animpain.h...
http://www.goveg.com/kosher.asp...
vegans are just DUMB. personally i love all food. i had chicken last night. and steak 2 nights ago. oh and bacon! i also like fish. hamburgers too!
Its not about what "YOU CAN HAVE" its about what people think is morally right for animals.
Vegans don't suport the dairy industry and all the pain, torture and death that milk drinkers pay for. Thats a good enough reason for me to support vegans.
As for leather, i can't understand any veggie wearing that anyway. you are still responsible for the death of an animal.
It's just a different level of commitment. I couldn't do it. But you don't have to read very much about the way the dairy and egg industries work to see how being vegan would make you feel better. If you subscribe to vegetarianism on any level because of animal cruelty, the lives of laying hens and milk cows are pretty miserable. And after they quit laying or giving milk, they go right into the food chain with the rest. Laying hens and milk cows just have longer to be miserable, really.
Dairy products and eggs are byproducts of a currently cruel slaughterhouse industry. Dairy cows are treated terribly; forced to lactate by being artificially inseminated. Chickens are crammed into teeny tiny cages and forced to lay eggs, often by unnatural means.
I'm not great at describing that stuff. If you're really interested, www.meat.org might help.
Besides animal cruelty concerns, milk and eggs are also bad for your health and there are better options out there to get your nutrients.
People choose a vegan diet for the same reasons people choose an ovo/lacto diet -
Ethics - Life on a dairy farm and life on a chicken farm are not all rosy, all the time, either. Some would say it's even crueler than a quick death, to make them suffer the way that they do.
Health - Milk & Eggs are not the healthiest thing to eat
Politics/Economics - All that grazing land for dairy/cattle causes all kinds of political and economic problems. The land that raises cattle & chicken feed for commercial milk & egg production could better be used to raise food to feed the starving of the world.
I'm sure there are dozens of other reasons why people choose a vegan diet, too.
Murdering an animal is a pretty harsh thing to say. First of all, there is a big difference in killing and murdering. Murder requires malicious intent. Secondly, I've got no problem with vegans as long as they don't try to push their belief system on me. I think it it fine and at times healthy to avoid meat. However, when a vegan tells me it is wrong to eat meat, I usually look at their feet and waist bands. Surprisingly, I've never met a vegan that does not wear leather. You know, they don't shave that off like wool. An animal has to actually die for leather to be produced. Just an interesting idea.
Now, in answer to your question, I don't know why anyone chooses vegan. I enjoy all sorts of foods too much to eliminate one kind from my diet.
I tried the Vegan thing. Due to food allergys, I did extremely badly on it. There was like nothing I could eat. Turned into a total string bean. I find that lacto ovo is the healthier alternative. Health was the reason I became a vegetarian. The fact animals suffer less because of it is just a plus for this animal lover.
I can't change the world with my eating habits, so I'm not going to sacrifice my health just to be able to say I'm vegan.
Those of you who do well on vegan congratulations.
To those who indiscriminatly consume massive amounts of fatty meat, good luck. Your gonna need it when your arteries start getting that plaque build up.
you get to act all high and mighty.
Well, being that I live in the south, and married to a man who likes meat and potatoes, meat WAS a big part of our lives. Meals aren't cooked around veggies, they are cooked around what type of meat we are having with that meal. Like all other food took second seat and revolved around meat. My husband and I no longer eat meat that isn't kosher. This isn't only for religious reasons, kosher meat is killed in a more humane way,,,if killing can be humane. Non kosher killing of animals involves...some chickens are drowned to kill them, beef is "stunned" then slaughtered, yes some slaughter houses go on and cut them up while they are somewhat alive. When the animal isn't killed "kosher", the animal produces endorphines that are sent straight to the meat, which in turn gets ate. This isn't healthy. Kosher not only means the type of animal permissable to eat,,,(no pig, no catfish,,,) but also means the way it is prepared to eat.
I'm not here to convince anyone to go kosher, just giving a different view. When we can't purchase kosher meat, we don't eat meat. (there is like NO kosher meat market where we live, so we have to order it and have it shipped which is VERY expensive). So I suppose we are part vegan now. (if that makes sense.)
I think about those poor sensitive utters being pulled on by machines, not being able to to do anything but produce milk. And so those machines sometimes make those sensitive utters get sore, bleed and sometimes puss! Infection city!!! So that gets dripped into the milk when the machines are still tugging away. GROSS but, you say the milk is pasterized?! Oh and that is supposed to clean a 100%???????? What about all the nutrients and vitimans that are taken out after pasterizing! So drink some puss infected milk if that makes you feel better!
They have lived in freedom... and like it or not...a 'rich' society and have lost prospective about life. Having never faced hunger. They feel ("and have") the choice to be as stupid as they wish.
"It is" that they make such a fuss about the poor animals.
I would love to see them on a survival training.
As for that long story.. -- after the question !!
IT IS just another rant.
That IS a violation.
Your last question asked if vegetarians and vegans label themselves because of vanity, and you pose this question in the manner that you do?
You are absolutely right and everybody else is wrong, is that what you want to hear. How dumb I must be to become a vegan. I never thought that I would be missing so much, thank you for telling me this.
I spent six years as a vegan, currently am no longer one. I cook vegan at home and enjoy my meals tremendously. But, I do allow myself to stray when a friend invites me to dinner.
I will never eat meat again, no matter the location.
I just saw oldfoot's response and must add, that as a child I knew what hunger was, so that is just a reply of ignorance.
There are such easy replacements for all the things you just mentioned above. If you do your research on dairy farms and the negatives that have everything to do with consuming dairy you will completely understand a vegans point of view. There is nothing I miss food wise, and contrary to popular belief a vegan doesn't sitting around munching on lettuce and carrots all day. There are endless options foodwise..:)
animals can suffer a lot even if they're not murdered. they're often treated in the most brutal ways....and most cows in the industrial milk production die or suffer from masstitis. not to mention laying batteries....they often cut off the chicken's beaks when they're young, which hurts them A LOT.
Hi. Becoming vegan...I wouldn't even consider it a choice, per-se; I think when one's level of consciousness is raised, the diet changes in consequence...It simply is what it is, and is effortless in many cases...