Should we all become vegans?!
Should we all become vegans?
A Government advisory group is apparently urging the Government to ensure that we all become vegans, ie no fish or animal products whatsoever.They are concerned about the amount of methane gas given off by cattle etc. In that case why the hell didn't we have global warming before the arrival of the Industrial Revolution? The report apparently says that the public should be introduced quite gently to this because there is likely to be strong resistance. You wouldn't chuckle. How dare they. We already have potential health problems with fortnightly bin collections. So we get rickets and god knows what as well. Most vegans, so I understand, need pills to replace protein etc so what happens if that protein is no longer available because all the animals have been put down. When do they start of horse, dogs, cats or humans? We must never allow this crazy advice to take place.
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Okay then fellow insomniacs, has Vegan and Proud added substance to the newspaper article I saw?
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Andrea and Tapestry. Read what Vegan and Proud has to say. It seems to me that we should be pretty alarmed!
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Hey Pinothy, I'm not advocating it, I'm just reporting what I read in a paper.If vegans disapprove of killing animals, then why would they approve of making cattle extinct?
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Thanks to all for your answers. So many good points have been made from both points of view, which have given me food for thought! Will try now and select best answer!
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3 weeks ago
Okay then fellow insomniacs, has Vegan and Proud added substance to the newspaper article I saw?
3 weeks ago
Andrea and Tapestry. Read what Vegan and Proud has to say. It seems to me that we should be pretty alarmed!
3 weeks ago
Hey Pinothy, I'm not advocating it, I'm just reporting what I read in a paper.If vegans disapprove of killing animals, then why would they approve of making cattle extinct?
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Thanks to all for your answers. So many good points have been made from both points of view, which have given me food for thought! Will try now and select best answer!
No chance. Reason is:
>I would like to enjoy every little bit of life and eating all kinds of food is one of those things that you can enjoy.
>I would like to stay healthy in life and being a vegan causes all sorts of problems and you will be in and out of the doctors, hospital, chemist etc.
Hope the above helps! :)
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http://www.shadystudent.co.uk
I'm a vegetarian, but not a vegan
i dont care, im going to eat steaks and chesseburgers. so they cant make me do anythng i dont whant.
You know you really need to stop reading unverified internet stuff.. its not all true and that sounds like a bunch of crock .. try hoaxbusters or snopes.com when you hear rumors they usually can shoot them down big time.
First of all, that's never going to happen.
Second of all, it's a stupid idea and it was probably a joke, because no government advisory group would ever in ten thousand years seriously think that the government is going to force people to become vegans.
Also, if we were to become vegans, we'd still have to kill off a lot of animals in order to resist overpopulation, which won't happen.
Cats need meat to survive,humans and dogs don not.I don't see what is wrong with being avegan or vegetarian,would you eat a dog or cat?Why classify some animals as "pets" and some as "food."I don't take any protein pills,if you think a vegan lacks in protein then you seriously know nothing about nutrition.
I think alot of people's health would actually improve if they went vegan or vegetarian:
LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN AMERICA
1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat/dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Injuries and Adverse Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and
mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ Highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the
kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)
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Why be a veg*n
Environment
1.Half of all the water consumed in the US is used by animal agriculture
2.For every 1 acre of land cleared for urban development,7 are cleared to grow feed for livestock or grazing land for livestock
3.The livestock population in the US create 140 times the excrement as the human population of the US
4.Food for a vegan for 1 year can be produced on only 1/6 of an acre of land, while it takes 3 1/4 acres of land to produce food for a meat-eater for one year.
Health
1.“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.”
“Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer.“
World Hunger
1.Out of the 40 poorest countries,we buy grain from 38 of them to feed to animals so we can have meat
2.We feed more than 70 percent of the grains and cereals we grow to farmed animals, and almost all of those calories go into simply keeping the animals alive, not making them grow.
3.The world's cattle alone consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people―more than the entire human population on Earth.
4.For every 16 pounds of food you put into livestock,you only get one pound back of edible flesh
Worker's Rights
1.The rate of repetitive stress injury for slaughterhouse employees is 35 times higher than it is for those with other manufacturing jobs.
2.The farmed-animal industry has also been condemned for exploiting children―kids in their early teens have even died while working in animal-processing plants, and Multinational Monitor magazine called Tyson Foods one of the world’s “Ten Worst Corporations” because it hires people in the U.S. who are too young to work legally.
3.Kids have even been killed while working in slaughterhouses in the United States―a 15-year-old died, and a 14-year-old was seriously hurt in separate incidents at Tyson’s animal-processing plants. “One teenager died and another suffered serious injuries because this company ignored the law,” the U.S. Labor Department noted. “It was illegal for either one of them to be employed in the kind of work Tyson’s hired them to do.”
4.Immigrant workers are easy prey for the meat industry. After they are brought to the U.S., they’re often so desperate to make money to send to their families back home that they’ll take any job without complaint. If they’re being treated unfairly, they don’t have any choice but to continue working for the farmed-animal industry, and if they become injured and can no longer work, they are often stuck in the U.S. with no job and no money to buy a bus ticket home.
US Beef Isn't Safe(I believe it isn't)
1.France, which has only a fraction of the U.S. cattle population, tests more cattle in a single week then the U.S. has tested in a decade
2.According to Europe's latest annual report, Europe is testing cattle at a rate of almost two thousand times that of the United States
3.Almost all fattening beef cattle, all dairy calves and all adult dairy cows raised conventionally are fed meat and bone meal in the United States
4.Under the 1997 feed regulations, the FDA specifically allowed the feeding of chicken litter to cattle to continue, even if the chickens had just been fed meat and bone meal made from cattle remains
5.The U.S. also is presently testing only 1 out of every 18,000 cows slaughtered
6.In fact, the USDA, which now tests only 1 percent of all slaughtered cows
7.The USDA is run by several lobbyists,Alisa Harrison,who is now spokesperson of the USDA,was the spokesperson for the National Cattleman’s Beef Association for 15 years,how can an industry meant to protect you be run by the industry they are supposed to protect you from?
Watch(not a peta video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxknys7r...
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See the issues involved with eating meat
http://goveg.com/theissues.asp
@ pino:
The renowned humanitarian Albert Schweitzer, who accomplished so much for both humans and animals in his lifetime, would take time to stoop and move a worm from hot pavement to cool earth. Aware of the problems and responsibilities that an expanded ethic brings, he said, “A man is really ethical only when he obeys the constraint laid on him to aid all life which he is able to help … He does not ask how far this or that life deserves sympathy … nor how far it is capable of feeling.” We can’t stop all suffering, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try and stop any.
@Rosie
We don't advocate making animals exticnt.Cattle exist in artificially vast numbers,about 1.3 billion worldwide,because of they high demand for their flesh,and raising animals in factory farms has tremendous tolls on the environment and is cruel.
i dont think that you shoud become a vegan. i have several freinds who are vegans. one pased out on a mountain because of veganism, so i had to carry her and her bags right to the bottom. belive me that was hard. but if you have to become one you have to be verry carefull to get the right foods in you at all times. veganism is not to be taken lightly.
no meat, no smoking, no drinking, no sex, whats next? no breathing?
That's so stupid!. They always seem to want to control us in some way or another. We should just be able to eat what we want. :)
"Most vegans, so I understand, need pills to replace protein etc so what happens if that protein is no longer available because all the animals have been put down."
The irony is, that pill would be made up of animal matter anyway - from cow most likely. If we were all to become vegans that would mean no music, no health, no plastics, no cars, no hats, no pills, no computers, et cetera. What pisses me off most about vegans is the little so-and-sos are quite happy to preach to the masses about no death to animals and all that rubbish, but almost everything they touch has some animal product in it. Take a look at Moby! He got on his high horse during the Play era about veganism and what did he do for a living, he was a DJ. Vinyl is produced thanks to the help of a cow's snout.
#1 - Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)
#2 - High Density Polyethylene (HDPE)
#3 - Vinyl (Polyvinyl Chloride or PVC)
#4 - Low Density Polyethylene (LDPE)
#5 - Polypropylene (PP)
#6 - Polystyrene (PS)
#7 - Other (which commonly includes: Polycarbonate, ABS, Nylon, Acrylic or a composite of 2 or more resins)
That is the list of what cow bits go into. What's that? PET? correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but isn't PET the plastic used in almost ALL soft-drink bottles and any other recyclable bottle or general purpose container? So let me get this straight. The vegans want to throw us COMPLETELY into the stone age, negating everything we have discovered, all the technology we have founded, all because they're just a wee bit too friendly with the animals.
HDPE for those kids playing at home is used for container like PET but is also used for piping for natural gas, cables and corrosion protection for a lot of other piping. PVC is used for records, electrical wires and piping (usually water or sewage). LDPE is used for computer components and hardware. PP is used for electrical wiring and clothing. PS is used in packaging and for cd and dvd cases. Have I gotten my message across yet?
I am a HUGE animal fan. Hell, I even give $25 a month to WSPA to ensure that animals remain cruelty free for the future ahead. But the moral of the story is, we need to kill animals. That is harsh, but if we don't, then good luck to you in the big wide world.
So, vegans, how much of that stuff do you use…
Everyone knows you have to eat meat to live. you can't with only green food.
I'm all for it
No we shouldn't. If everyone else on the planet becomes one, thats fine with me, but i'll still be grilling steaks, baking chicken, frying bacon and eating cheese until the day I die.
cattle are vegans look at the amount of methane gas they fart, no thanks i have enough methane problems eating the cows,
Vegan seem not understand anything about the natural world or animals. There postal vegetarian animal ,a gorilla which they think is largest animal and strongest is not really true vegetarian ( he eats insects)(blue whale is the largest) Also they think animal who don't eat are most intelligent but what do think is more? One animal that just eats plants that stand still or a animal that hunt a prey down using skill and tactics traveling miles searching and using cunning to catch one. Also they don't even understand anything about plants they cant even survive in the wild they starve. Least most humans have the they skills of hunter deep inside them in there soul and would survive.
Is the government going to reimburse everyone for vehicle damage on our highways when those deer populations multiply tenfold? Will the government give every hunter the equivalent in food to the bounty they get from the woods? Advisory group, LOL. I'm sure some people will buy into it, but the smart ones won't.
Has anyone considered that someone may be vegan for health reasons, such as vegan&proud stated? It's so easy to look past the hard facts about health in this country, so long as our appetites are satisfied. The majority of this country is ruled by their stomachs, which is really disgusting considering all the hunger that is going on in the world. But oh no, as long as I get that four course steak dinner, I can turn a blind eye to everything else. Forget my gut spilling over my pants, I just want something that tastes good. Who cares if an animal had to DIE a most likely cruel death for me to eat it?
A proper vegan does not need protein supplements. People are brainwashed into thinking protein only comes from animals. Wrong. Legumes, tofu, beans, fake meats, etc. Do some of your own research.
By the way, I think this is totally a fake story. There's no way this country would go vegan ... there are too many people who would never consider an alternate way of life.
I'm a vegetarian i have been for 25 years. would like to be vegan though. i tried it quite a few years ago, but found it too difficult at that time. but with so many replacement products available i may drift that way.
as for the issue of the past and methane gas. the problem is the ever increasing population of the planet. with more people eating more meat, there are a growing number of cattle. i see what the advisory group are saying.
perhaps the answer should be to control the growth rate of the human race, but look at how unpopular that policy is in China.
I guess most humans want to have their own way on everything!
I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with eating meat, in my opinion its cruel and unnecessary. its also healthier to not consume meat.
i know many people are not convinced by climate change, saying that changing weather patterns are normal. well they are, but its the speed with which the current changes are taking place that indicate that something is amiss.
I don't think it should be a matter of forcing people to change, but everyone needs to be aware of the impact that their lifestyle has on the environment, and that's not just about eating meat.
perhaps if meat eaters tried one veggie meal a week they might find they like it!
NO,
Humanity has the technology and capability to solve all the worlds problems like transporting water to areas that need it through pipes,(as they do with oil) feeding the starving turning deserts into Forrest's, remove CO2 from fossil fuel powers station, so whats stopping humanity solving these problems yep you guessed it MONEY.
Governments claim to the do the best by their people but are advised by halfwits who live in the clouds high on their own superiority it's a clear case of! DO as I say and NOT as i do These advisers are the same ones who think pedo's should have another chance, or murders should live in luxury in the prisons, or that political correctness is stopping racism but as any normal person knows it is in fact causing more harm than good.
whats the point of democracy if it's the narrow minded minority who think they know best are going to tell the rest of the world how to live.
I would see anarchy before I am told how to eat.
As for the Methene point from cows I am sure it could managed and collected same as the waste with help from some sort of technology but again it would be costly and therefore it's easier just to blame the masses for doing what we are made to do.
As for Vegan and prouds point on health you forgot to mention the deaths caused by meat and diary products are mainly the result of excess and gluttony a pratices that the Americans do better than anywhere else on the planet.
sorry for any spelling mistakes the spell check has just stopped working.
They can advise all they like - I'm not becoming vegan. Oh and Vegan and proud: Me becoming vegan would be bad for other people's health because if you deprive me of food I like - I GET VERY STABBY.
No way, im not going vegan, i dont care what anybody says, the government will certainly have a battle on thier hands. I think everyone is sick of them dictating to us.
YYYYYAAAAAAAYYYYYY i would love to be vegan but it must be hard im a veggie at the moment so hopefully in time i'll become vegan x x