Question for PETA members.?!
If I were to go out into the Alaskan wilderness, kill an animal humainly (it's dead within 5 seconds of feeling any pain). Then take it home, cut it up and eat it. Would that be considered right or wrong in your opinion?
If you say wrong, I'm going to need an explanation, or I'm eating roasted duck tomarrow night.
Answers: So the main reasons you protest people eating meat is beceause the meat factories torture the animals to death and the animals are treated poorly for their entire lives.
If I were to go out into the Alaskan wilderness, kill an animal humainly (it's dead within 5 seconds of feeling any pain). Then take it home, cut it up and eat it. Would that be considered right or wrong in your opinion?
If you say wrong, I'm going to need an explanation, or I'm eating roasted duck tomarrow night.
PETA is an organization of dogmatic extremists. They seem believe, contrary to archaeological evidence, that early man ate a predominantly or entirely vegetarian diet until recently.
As for the comment that we should only eat what we can catch & kill with our bare hands, you seem to forget that the definition of the species homo is that of a tool user. An animal does not have to have big teeth, strong jaws and be able to run fast if it can fashion a spear and work as a group to hunt. trap & kill game.
Even then there are some hunter-gatherers that are able to run incredible distances and wear their prey out by chasing them for hours. When their prey collapses from exhaustion, then they move in for the kill. It's not pretty, but survival never is.
forget hunting, you will never justify it in their minds..but wait until you hear what they would say about pets..
I am having a wild boar ham this weekend and any PETAns are welcome. Promise I won't tell.
They believe the use of any animal is wrong more matter what for, even if killing one animal saves 1 million humans they would be against it.
You might as well start warming up the duck. The petards will have no explanation why it's wrong, to them animals are way more important then people.
I am a PETA member, but I don't agree with everything they say/do. If a person were to go out and hunt an animal in the wild, and do all the things needed to do to it for FOOD with as little pain and suffering as possible, then I really don't have a problem with it. Unfortunatley most people wont go hunting for their own food.
I like how you people keep saying that we don't care about humans, and it very much appears that you don't care about humans yourselves! To come into a section and mock, ridicule, judge and pick on others for their beliefs for no good reason shows that you do not care about the people in that section that are there honestly learn and help others. I bet you get your vegetables the same way as we do! Do YOU care that children and underpaid people are picking those veggies for you? I highly doubt it. If you care that much about those people then maybe you shouldn't spend so much time on the internet making fun of others and go out and do something to help stop the unfair labor that many people have to go through.
I'm confused; are you going hunting for ducks in the Alaskan wilderness tomorrow? And you won't eat the duck you kill if a PETA member on here explains to you why they think it's wrong? You don't say you'll need to be convinced, just that you'll need an explanation.
All very odd.
Question for Exsft: you often talk scathingly about veg*ns buying vegetables picked by exploited children; do you not eat veg yourself then? Also, is all veg in America imported? (I walk half a mile down the road for fresh veg, as I live in an English county whose main - well, pretty much only - industry is agriculture.)
And the question isn't aimed at veg*ns, it's aimed at PETA members; the terms aren't interchangeable.
well, i dont see any problem in killing animals if it is necesary for your own survival, after all thats what life is about. but to pay for people to needlesly kill thousands of animals seems some what monsterous to me.
go ahead eat duck, i dont think you'll find that many of us generally care.
oh yeah, im not a member of peta, partly cos what they do is pretty extreme even if it is for a good cause, secondly because they keep spamming my e-mail!
It depends, are you able to catch that wild boar with you bare hands and kill it with them too?
I think if I were to eat meat I would rather have something that I know has lived a good free life and has been fed none of that crap, than eat something from a meat industry, I don't think I'd feel as bad. However I don't think it's natural to eat anything that I myself couldn't catch and kill with my hands, we aren't made to eat meat, if we were we'd be born with strong legs and sharp teeth, don't you think?
I am 50/50 with PETA as I am currently confused about the things I have heard about them. Anyway, I am vegetarian because of how animals are treated in slaughterhouses with no regard for their well being. They are treated as if they have no feelings.
I am against killing any animal but if killing can be done in the most of humane ways this would be a hell of a lot better than it currently is. If farm animals could be euthanized like shelter animals, there probably would not be 'that much' of a public outcry as there is today. But, this is not at all possible because then the meat would be tainted with a lethal drug. This would be possible in a perfect world, but it is very unfortunate that we don't live in one.
I am a vegan and I don't nearly agree with everything PETA says. They are hyper-critical and sometimes I even feel self-conscious because of PETA - am I vegan enough? I mean, what if I meet another vegan that's a PETA freak and they pick on me because I have a fuzzy coat and they'll accuse me of promoting the fur business just by wearing a coat that could pass as fur (it isn't, it's completely man-made material)?
I have also found that PETA members have very radical views on things like pets and having children. I recently watched a PETA documentary that was about Ingrid Newkirk, CEO of PETA, where she said that she doesn't want to have children because there's too many unwanted, unloved children in the world. She didn't want to contribute to overpopulation. She also said that when she dies, she wants her flesh turned into leather and her body parts barbequed. I think that this kind of talk and thinking actually repulses omnivorous people and makes ALL vegans looks like freaks.
I'm a totally normal person, most people would never guess I am vegan. I don't antagonize my family about it or my friends. If they have a holiday dinner at their house, I won't eat the meat but I will try stuff with dairy in it just because I refuse to break my mother's heart for working in the kitchen for hours. She's learned to respect me BECAUSE I'm respectful of her, and now makes some non-dairy dishes as well.
Everyone's situation is different and everyone's lifestyle is different. If I can make a difference by not eating animals, and it makes me feel better and it gives me purpose, so what? It's just like I would never put down someone for a religion they have - as long as their religion is entirely peaceful and they themselves aren't spreading a message of hate? I think there is so much more to worry about than antagonizing people that are different than us, after all.
If you go out and kill a duck yourself tommorrow, I have mixed feelings. Just from the tone of your post I can tell you're not very sympathetic to the idea of an animal dying, albeit quickly, or to the concept that you're eating a corpse.
You might be interested in borrowing some books from the library on vegans and vegetarians and just reading them. Obviously, if you don't agree with it, period, then just read it to broaden your concept of what a vegan or vegetarian is. You might want to read about the health benefits and more in-depth information on the meat industry. I would also like to reccomend some omnivore-friendly literature that is still extremely informative, so it might influence at least the quality of meat you buy, where you source it, and what you eat in general:
Marion Nestle's "Food Politics" (very crucial book, talks about the FDA and USDA and why the food pyramid is that way, about government lobbying efforts, about the shady ways of the meat and dairy industry - but all the while, Nestle is an omnivoure, and the theme of the book is rather reform of the system rather than a diet itself)
Marion Nestle's "What to Eat" (very insightful, it put me on the path to a vegetarian diet, though I am sure that wasn't the author's intent)
I hope you have a lovely dinner, but I would reccomend that you read some vegan and vegetarian cookbooks and make a few meals cruelty-free or animal-free. You might just like the change of pace, and your heart will thank you (duck in particular is really fatty; I lost my beloved grandfather really early, he had a heart attack in the doorway of his home, as he was coming back from killing some animal for dinner. Most of my family are diary or livestock farmers, but small-time business, organic).
Did you see "into the wild" yet? it is a good good movie. I recomend it to anyone, especially anyone interested in this sort of issue.
anyway, not a peta member, but i am a humane society member, and i feel that without a doubt if you are going to eat meat than hunting (when obeying the law) is the most ethical way to do it.
I used to love roast duck. thai style. in a ginger sauce. but they can do basically the same thing with shitake mushrooms so i don't miss it that much.
I think you'll find that mos veg*ns (myself included) will say that hunting your own meat is better than buying from a factory farm. There is not really much debate about that. Obviously, if you're going to eat meat, it is better to kill an animal that has led a normal life and at least has a shot at getting away.
That being said, it is wrong because it's still not necessary to kill in order to eat. There are thousands of vegans in the world and millions of vegetarians, and all of them live and thrive of a diet where no one had to die. If someone absolutely had to kill an animal to survive, that is another thing, but you want to kill just for your taste buds. For a few moments of pleasure that soon dissipate, you will deprive an animal of the rest of its life.
Wilderness or not, that is still wrong (and no, I'm not "forcing my beliefs" on anyone, he asked for my opinion).
I'm vegan, but not a PETA member, because PETA does some messed up things and is in general a pain in the butt (although they have effective and informative websites if you read critically and don't just accept false analogies and exaggerations blindly). I am also a libertarian, which is really kind of a weird combination that forces me to think about things like hunting, etc, within my personal philosophy.
I would like to approach this questions they way I would in my own mind, incorporating ethical and legal issues. Legal restrictions on hunting revolve around larger ecologically questions. Hunting is usually regulated for the purpose of population management. Laws regarding factory farming on the other hand, revolve around animal welfare (since there are some very basic regulations covering some farmed animals. I personally think it is not enough, but again part of me balks at creating laws that drawn to their logical conclusion, could advocate compulsory vegetarianism) Anyways, comparing the legal issues at the core of farming and hunting, it would seem to me that hunting tends to evoke less moral issues that compel people in this society to create laws in the first place. In fact, the biggest issue I hear associated with hunting is 2nd amendment stuff, while consumers (and voters) seem to be increasingly concerned with the treatment of animals in factory farms (look at the "humanely" raised meat the burrito chain Chipotle now advertises).
Ethically, I hate factory farming and I dislike hunting. I feel I have to qualify this, however. I dislike hunting largely because many conservatives feel like it is their right to possess a gun and shoot animals (when only the former is true, and for the purpose of warding off tyranny, not shooting fluffy things) in a society that has so many food options. I do not hold hunting or meat eating against Mongolian nomads for example, because the environment in which many of them live is not really conducive to a diet rich in veggies and free of meat However, if you live,say, in a populated area of the United States, you have access to so many nutritious and delicious foods that it seems unnecessary to go out and hunt. That said, I would feel more ethically comfortable with going out and shooting an animal than buying a neat little package of meat that, though it looks pretty, represents a lot of suffering and deprivation. At least a hunted animal has had a chance to behave the way it was meant to behave.
The decision to eat meat is not a zero sum game. There is an ethical middle ground. I plan to one day adopt chickens from a shelter and let them roam my garden. If they lay eggs, I will have no qualms eating them (the eggs). If I ever eat meat again, I would rather eat hunted a wild boar that has had a chance to root around and do things that define a pig, than a farmed pig that has been deprived of behaviors that define it as a being.
Lastly, the decision to eat meat or hunt or w/e is a personal choice. Decide for yourself whether you want to abstain, hunt a duck, or buy it from the store. My opinion is stated clearly, but what you put in your mouth is your ethical decision to make. Only you can make the determination of what is ethically acceptable for you to eat.
both.with most vegans, we protest the horrible lifes and killing of animals. we would like everyone to go veg on earth, but to be realistic, we make small steps at a time
It is MUCH MUCH better than eating conventional meat products but there is no such thing as killing an animal "humanely" unless it is suffering and cannot be treated or their is no safe place in the world for it to live out the rest of it's life without being its own safety issue in relation to the community.
It really does depend on the person.
Some people stop eating meat in protest to the way animals are treated in factory farming, so they stop eating meat and will not eat it until they're treated better.
I'm not one of those people, personally.
Why shouldn't you kill a duck? Ducks mate for life.
Here's a part of a story I read from a hunter:
"He encountered an odd scene: An apparently grief stricken male duck stood vigil over the wounded female. Ducks mate for life. This one must be the dying uck partner.
"One dying ducks life DID matter to someone- to the other duck."
I can't think of one good reason to eat meat. We don't need to kill an animal to eat, we can get all that we need from many other things. People argue that the taste isn't as good, but that- to me- is a weak argument. Why should a beautiful, innocent animal have to die because we enjoy the taste of their flesh?
First and foremost we all need to realized that there is NO humane way to kill an animal. Murder is murder my friends, 5 seconds of pain is still 5 seconds to many. Meat, in essence, is cruelty, there is no way to avoid that. Animals are much like us in the fact that they feel pain, and have emotions. They did nothing to deserve to be mass murdered in factory farms or shot to death by a hunter. We have the ability to lead a very healthy lifestyle while being compassionate and loving to other living creatures, so why not do it?
Answer me this: would you enjoy being shot and left to bleed out for 5 seconds of excruciating pain before dieing? I doubt that elk does either.
So when you eat that duck just remember how much suffering that creature must have experienced, but im sure that would make it taste better to you wouldn't it?
Animals have just as much right to be here as you do. They are not here to serve us or feed us, they are here to coexist with us. Just as its wrong to kill a human it is equally wrong to kill an animal. Nah, just kidding, fry the bastards! I'm gonna cook me up some hot dogs now.
PETA forever meat eaters never!