What faux meat products are non-vegan, like Amy's for example?!
So, what faux meats are non-vegan besides Amy's?
Answers: Amy's uses organic veges in their products. While this may be a healthier choice than non-organic, it cannot be the vegan choice. Organic produce, used on a large scale such as this, is fertilized with products of animal part rendering and manure. Non-organics do NOT use any animal products. This choice would easily fit into the area of "practicality" that is so often used to describe animal products used by vegans that cannot be avoided (such as various fluids in vehicles and the like). This is easily avoidable.
So, what faux meats are non-vegan besides Amy's?
Technically, Amy's products that have vegan ingredients are vegan. I would be hard-pressed to go outside right now and find any soil whatseover that has had no animal residues; animals have been dying and disintegrating into soil, thus fertiliziing it, since the beginning of time. Everything from insects to birds to mammals must die and their bodies feed the soil that once fed them.
Organic AND non-organic produce grows in soil that has been fertilized with animal waste or animal "part rendering", as you put it, either because the farmers/growers add the manure/animals themselves or if it happens naturally. It is virtually impossible to find animal-free soil. Even in my mom's garden (tomatoes, gooseberries and cucumbers), there are thousands of insects dying every day beneath the soil, hundreds of worms, probably tens of thousands of ants. Not to mention the random dead birds or occassional squirrel we've found in there.
It would be helpful if you provided sources for your information regarding the fact that ALL organic farming uses animal fertilizers and animal byproducts to fertilize their soil. Books, websites, whatnot. I'd be interested to look at it myself out of curiousity. Also, sources that state that non-organic farming does not use animal waste. Thanks :)
EDIT: No - you must have missed my point... you are putting words in my mouth.
My point was that none of the soil in the world is literally vegan. (How would what I said be interpreted that 'all soil is vegan' if I specifically said there are dead animals in virtually all the world's soil?).
It's impossible to avoid all animal products in life. Vegans just do the best they can to avoid animal products, anyway. It's impossible to live animal-product free, our world is pervaded with animal products.
If I were to stipulate to the point of not eating anything that could have even come into contact with a dead animal, dead rendered flesh or manure, I might as well just lie down and die right now.
EDIT 2: Thanks for the site. I'm sorry if I came off confrontational, I was actually very interested in the point you were making. I'm going to look at that site. I purchase organic products for my daugther, it's too expensive for me to eat organic, because I don't want her to consume pesticides. I make my own veggie burgers, but I do purchase organic bananas and grains for my baby. I won't change that, I think pesticides are more harmful to the world and to my daughter's health than the fact that fertilizers were used to grow the food I purchased.
EDIT 3: Thank you :) We can always agree to disagree on some things.
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Aren't some Amy prodcuts vegan? Her bean and rice burritos are vegan aren't they? Because if they aren't I have no idea what vegan is!
boca brand
morningstar farms products aren't vegan. they use eggs.
i'm sure that most soil has animal or insect parts in it, even if it is only in trace amounts.
what about this fertilizer? http://www.organicfertilizer.com/
The Original Gardenburgers aren't vegan. Not because of the reasons you're describing, but because they contain cheese (and egg too, I think).
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Howdy.
I am a not a farmer, but have seen fields of soya growing, and they are now genetically produce to the effect, they need no fertilzers.
And as the one person said there are items made with whey proteins, cheeses and other non vegan ingredients, what I am is a former chef and a lacto-ovo-pescarterian vegetarian (I should get that printed on my business card), I make most of my own faux meat like products, that way I know what goes in them.
TVP, Seitan, Tofu and an array of veg/beans and legumes, there are alot of recipes around, and I make dishes like chili, curry, faux meatloafs and stews with soya chunks, it is up to you, and there is organic types around.
As long as no animals were born, raised or killed just to be put into the soil, it has no effect on whether a crop is vegan or not.
All soil contains elements that were once part of animals' bodies.
The focus is "exploitation" when it comes to getting technical with the definition of veganism. If no one consumed beef or dairy, there wouldn't be any spare cow parts to sprinkle on farmers crops. The same goes for chickens and their flesh and eggs.
Most mock-meats aren't vegan, including Boca and Morningstar. I think that all Quorn contains egg. Mmmm, mold held together by chicken periods.
Its a case of you have to read the labels on the package.....
Most will use egg as a binder...