To vegetarians who are pro-choice...?!
I mean technically you aren't killing a living organism... What if you gave millions of animals abortions?
I think i found a new profession!
O yeah, and since:
Potential energy is still energy, is potential life still life?
Answers: Would it be OK to give a cow an abortion?
I mean technically you aren't killing a living organism... What if you gave millions of animals abortions?
I think i found a new profession!
O yeah, and since:
Potential energy is still energy, is potential life still life?
Strict ethical vegetarians that are pro-choice, IMO are "vegetarians of convenience". They are ethical vegetarians ... when it suits them.
Here's a typical hypocritical vegetarian's way of waffling: "There are too many variables, it cannot be a black and white issue." It shows a total and abject lack of depth of conviction, chilling callousness, and shallow thinking.
The unborn child of a rape victim is no less a human being and with care and nurture will be a compassionate human being despite his/her violent beginnings. The other scenarios, drug mother, cancer mother . . . all have medical solutions and abortion need not be an option.
IMO, pro-choice vegetarians are hypocrites of the most dangerous kind.
That question is pretty good :) However, you would be killing a living organism. That's what abortion does. It kills the baby. What about a partial birth abortion? Is that not killing a living being, either?
I'm not a vegetarian, and I'm pro choice, but I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
Potential energy is still energy, is potential life still life?
Sure. But if it is, then energy = life.
Energy cannot be wasted. So abortions (and natural deaths, murders, etc.) just give back to nature, it will come back anyways, as it cannot be wasted.
Well no, I'm not medically qualified in any way, so in the (unspecified) event of a cow needing an abortion it would be more sensible to call a vet.
If I gave millions of cows abortions it would take a very long time, even if I was qualified. I don't think there's much call for it, though.
good point!
You are a confused young man, aren't you?
Vegetarian is a diet. It has no connection to abortion issues whatsoever. Many vegetarians are vegetarians for their own personal health.
If you're asking for permission to give a cow an abortion, I say do whatever you'd like to do.
New profession? That'd be quite a jump from shelf stacker.
Good question but it goes even further (and for the record I am not a vegetarian)
Unless we stop drinking milk as a society, all of the pregnant cows (that are necessary to produce milk) make calves (read veal). If we keep drinking milk but stop eating beef, the world will be taken over by cows within 10 years or we have to abort the baby cows. This is not an advocacy statement, THIS IS A FACT.
1 To get milk you need pregnant cows
2) Pregnant cows either have baby cows or abortions
3) Baby cows are either eaten as veal or grow up to be big cows
4) If we stop eating cows, cow population increases
SIMPLE AS THAT.
that's just absurd, and i'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Is potential idiocy is still idiocy?
The circumstances that would lead to giving a cow an abortion are:
1) The farmer/rancher is concerned that the cow will die during the birthing.
2) The farmer/rancher wants the cow to be a dairy cow but doesn't want a calf on it's hands. A cow will not produce milk unless it is a mother, just like a human woman will not get her milk unless she is with child.
I would say that it is interfering a bit with nature for #1 but if the cow is very important to that farmer he might have to consider it. #2 is a harsh reality that occurs daily so that you can have your cup of milk. Cows are impregnated and then their calves are either aborted or sold for veal because it's not profitable to keep them around the farm. This is stone-cold truth.
Human beings and abortions are another matter entirely. It is still a life, but what if it's a 12 year old girl that is pregnant because her father raped her? What if the mother is addicted to heroin and will kill or permanently damage her child if she carries on with the pregnancy - not all people are good people and sometimes it is the lesser evil to permit an abortion than to let a child be born disfigured or deformed because their mother is an addict.... What if it's a woman that finds out she has terminal cancer and she has to have an abortion if she plans to take on radiation and a course of treatment (or else she will die and most likely her child will die as well either way?). There are too many variables, it cannot be a black and white issue.
Considering majority of cow pregnancies are through force, I'd say it was pretty stupid to forcibly impregnate a cow then abort her baby.
Against abortion? Don't have one.
You should be asking how someone can be pro-life and not vegan.
if your reasoning is consistent, are you pro-life, but also a vegetarian, against capital punishment and against war?
I don't mind abortions on any animal (humans or non) as long as it is done early enough and for a good reason. The freaking partial birth abortions should be illeagal.
Good answers Jezebel and Maggie.
i am pro-choice because while i do not like the idea of an abortion at all, i don't believe it is right to deprive other women of that choice based on certain people's beliefs. if you are against abortion, don't have one, and if you're not, i hope you consider adoption or keeping the baby, but i don't think i have the right to tell you what to do. it's as simple as that.
i have one question though- how is giving a cow an abortion not killing a living organism? since you believe giving a human an abortion is. what's the difference?
Why don't you come back and ask this AFTER you've grown a functioning uterus.
FYI - most animals would be better off aborted than to go through what the vast majority of food animals go through. So, go ahead, abort all of the fetuses that you want.
PS - If you're really pro-life, you would be against raising animals just to be killed for food.
F*cking hypocrite.
No it would not be OK, because the cow can't consent to it, but they shouldn't be bred in the first place. Women can consent to abortions, that's why it's called pro-CHOICE. Cows live as slaves, as economic commodities, as PROPERTY in farms.
I think the question should be: "Why do we rape animals and make them pregnant in the first place"? Remember, all cows must be pregnant in order to produce milk. Their calves are taken away at birth and if male, are slaughtered within weeks for veal. Then the milk that the cow produces for her calf is instead bottled and sold to humans.
All domestic animals are bred into existence by humans based on *demand*, in order for the dairy/meat company to remain profitable.
If just a few more people stopped supporting these industries and went vegan, demand would decrease and therefore animals would not be bred for our consumption in the first place.
Veganism and abortion are completely different issues. There are pro-life vegans out there, albeit not many.
Here's my personal view on abortion:
The assumption behind anti-abortionism is that fetuses are right-holders. However, they are inside the body of another right-holder. Who should make the decisions, the women whom the fetus is in, or some bureaucrat in a government building? Furthermore, the evidence of sentience in fetuses is very scant.
I think sex education, birth control and contraception are more important, so there wouldn't be any need for abortion.
Wow, traceili... , those are harsh words. If you are so pro-life, then you should be vegetarian/vegan yourself, no? That's quite a hypocritical statement you are making.
To the question: pro-choice is about making a choice, the animal can't make that choice.
potential life is still life.
their concern is for animals, not humans...