Pushy Vegetarians?!
Firstly, does anyone else agree with this ridiculous and childish veggie statement? Secondly, if meat eating is so unnatural would that not discount the carnivourous animal kingdom?
I only buy meat that has been cared for properly from local sources, so I would consider myself to be a concientious meat eater. I'm not going to change my ways because some hemp clothed sandal wearing fundamentalist veggie says I'm wrong.
Humans are naturally omnivores as we need first class protein the type that comes from meat, fish and eggs so I'm going to turn the arguement on it's head and say that human vegetarianism is unnatural..
Answers: I recently listened to a debate on meat eating v vegetarianism. I found myself astonished at the aggresive behaviour of the vegetarians who's main arguement seemed to be that meat eating was an unnatural habit and that all meat eaters were cold blooded murderers.
Firstly, does anyone else agree with this ridiculous and childish veggie statement? Secondly, if meat eating is so unnatural would that not discount the carnivourous animal kingdom?
I only buy meat that has been cared for properly from local sources, so I would consider myself to be a concientious meat eater. I'm not going to change my ways because some hemp clothed sandal wearing fundamentalist veggie says I'm wrong.
Humans are naturally omnivores as we need first class protein the type that comes from meat, fish and eggs so I'm going to turn the arguement on it's head and say that human vegetarianism is unnatural..
No I don't agree with the statement that meat eaters are cold blooded murderers. And no it is not unnatural to eat meat. Why can't we just respect each other instead of trying to prove a point.
Being vegetarian does have some great aspects, it takes less to produce vegetables then it is to produce cows. The only problem with vegetarians are there are attitudes, but thats just me.
i would like to start by saying i am not a vegetarian, BUT i will defend vegetarians here
What you eperienced are extremists
and in any group there are some
those who take things too far and damage their cause rather than help it
they are in every walk of life whether the group be feminists, religious, or in this case vegetarians
you cannot generalize the world over from this experience alone
Wow hats off to you.......all these veggies lead a sedentary life style...they don't need muscle power to do anything....and most of them consume a lot of milk and milk proteins so are not purely veg's....
Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black, missy.
Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning?
Even though you ARE "wrong", I don't think anyone is actually holding a gun to your head and forcing you to change your evil ways. Get over yourself and stop being such a drama queen!
PS: "cared for properly"? WTF?
I have been a vegetarian for 17 years. My husband is not one and we are trying to get pregnant and I will not raise my child vegetarian. i think it is a personal choice for people. I try not to push my views on anyone, but i do know some who are pushy.
I have worked in the field of nutrition for >10 years and have taken multiple anatomy & Physiology classes and I do not agree that eating meat is unnatural for humans. our bodies seem to deal w/ meat fine on every level. also, there are 8 -9 essential amino acids we get from meat and there are only a couple of grains that have all 9 of these (quinoa being one). vegetairians accomplish consuming these by eating complementary proteins. but i don't think vegetarinism is unnatural either.
oh, and vegetarains don't suck, that's not nice. pushy people suck (vegetarins or othewise)
*** I would like to add that "plant based" diets (not necessairly exluding meat all togeter) have been shown to be healthier for heart disease, many cancers, and vegetairains tend to be leaner.
I became a vegetarian in high school and since my college education and working in the field of dietetics(nutrition) i have never regereted it. But it is a personal choice by far and everyone has a right to their own opinion.
you are aware that you are doing exactly what you claim this ONE vegetarian was doing in your debate.
You have come to the V&V section, attacked aggressively ("ridiculous and childish veggie statement" , and behaved quite childishly by using weak ad hominem attacks (" hemp clothed sandal wearing fundamentalist veggie").
Both diets are fine. Whats unnatural is the vast amounts of meat that SOME people in the modern western world consume.
Humans do not need meat at all- if they did, I' d be dead , as it is I am very much alive and healthy. However , humans are also able to eat meat . Neither of those facts says that one diet is more natural than the other.
People CHOOSE to be Vegetarian because they can. For many different reasons. because they do not want to be responsible for so many deaths, because its better for ones health, because its good for the environment . Everyone has their own reasons.
I, like 99% of Vegetarians, have no problems with people eating meat. I couldn't care less. I only get annoyed when people come into the V&V section purposely to attack Veg*ns, normally accusing them of pushing their views on everyone. Why then are you in OUR section, and us not in yours ?
Hi.
I am a vegetarian, but I am not pushy, I respect everyone's desicion for eating meat or not. That is good that you do not eat meat from factory farms because they are terrible. My mom showed me what they do to the animals on the internet one day....it was and is horrible!
I also wanted to say that I disagree with you about "vegetarianism is unnatural". More and more studies are coming out that vegetarianism is actually better for you, lower risk of heart disease and cancer. A lot of people do not realize this, like the people in my class. I also wanted to say in MY opinion, we were not meant to eat meat. I understand why people say, "we were meant to eat meat" but our bodies were not made for meat.
I respect meat-eaters and I wish they would respect us (vegetarians) more. Also, not all vegetarians dress wierd. Those are just the extremists, to me. I usually get made fun of by the boys & some of the girls for being vegetarian, I wish that would stop because I respect all meat-eaters...and you guys should respect us. More and more people are coming vegetarian so I think you guys should respect that, not cut us down for what we want to eat and not eat; and for caring for animals.
~ Thank you for not supporting factory farms!
~ I hope this helps!
Fair enough, if you eat other beings for food, be prepared to be killed for food by other creatures. ^-^ beware especially when you are camping in the forest.... tiger... eagle... hahahaha... what comes around goes around. We are in the food chain, right?
-->Tell me if I'm wrong. I understand that during ancient time, human eats fruits and plants ONLY, and they don't eat raw meat. Due to one day, a fire in the forest, they discovered that cooked meat is delicious, only that they started to eat meat. So... if there wasn't a forest fire, and there wasn't a discovery... are human still omnivor? or herbivor? And... you don't eat raw meat like other omnivors do, right?
I disagree with you. You are a pushy meat eater. I am not a hemp clothed sandal wearing veggie.
you say that your meat has been cared for properly by local sources - ? OK you win.
That's rubbish- most of us aren't pushy, but some are over protective of our beliefs, i live in a house with 3 meat eaters and i don't mind. it's what you think is right that counts. but if you think us vegetarians are wrong you should at least respect our beliefs as we do for you. i would never force anyone to become vegetarian- if they want to know the facts i will tell them but i won't expect them to become vegetarian. it's a big decision and I'm proud to say i have been vegetarian now for 8 years and it's going great :D
Everyone has the right to their opinion and the person was debating. If you feel strongly about eating meat then eat meat. Don't let anyone make you feel you are doing wrong and don't fall in to a debate with that person just go and enjoy some ribs.
Excuse me!
You are completely wrong on this subject.
Vegans become vegans because they want to, and for other reasons, but its not only because of animal rights.
Good for you that you buy from local sources, that's a step.
Many cultures are veggies and they get complete proteins from a mix of grains, etc.
I don't like how you make vegans sound like hippies.
VERY STEREOTYPICAL.
What's wrong with their stance? It is unnatural for human beings to eat meat. You can get all your nutrition including protein from many other products. And prime ways of getting protein is milk and eggs, but you still can get it from all sorts of sources.
Meat eaters do support the meat industry, which involves slaughtering of so many animals every second! Is it wrong to want to stop the violence committed against the innocent?
I don't wear hemp, but my fiance has a hemp wallet I bought him two years ago. It's really sturdy stuff, it hasn't worn or broken or anything.
Yes, buying meat that was raised for your consumption is ethical, good for you. Would you eat a dog or a dolphin that was raised for your consumption? What about dairy and eggs? You've gone out to those farms to make sure that you are supporting a farmer who has happy chickens? You've seen these animals and their conditions and are sure that they are happy to be alive for you to eat them?
Meat eaters will never win this debate because you are wrong....nothing should be "raised" for our consumption....we are not gods (although we have invented gods that made comfortable believing us to be king of the jungle...or might I say queen of the jungle" ?
And vegans are vegans for environmental reasons and humanitarian, dietary reasons as well as many others...you should educate yourself and maybe I'll see you on the light side.
You should hang around here and see what kind of questions meat eaters post...see who is aggressive. Being a vegetarian is hard because you see people every day just eating whatever the television advertises...not aware of what they are supporting and the consequences of that support.
You say that you are conscientious, what does that mean? You don't eat any pre-packaged food because you know that comes from factory farms(the big brands).....You are fighting a losing battle....just keep telling yourself that you are one of the good guys, hope it makes you happy.
If you were listening to a debate, then the whole point is to argue your point. It doesn't mean this individual is this vehement about his beliefs in everyday life.
You're proving your closed-mindedness about the whole issue by dismissing us as "hemp clothed sandal wearing." There is no single stereotypical vegetarian.
All protein is the SAME. Protein is made of amino acids, once ingested, are broken down into individual aminos and reassembled into proteins the body can use. The research that yielded the idea of "first class" protein was done in the 40s. On rats. Measuring how rapidly they grew. It says nothing about what "kind" of proteins humans need. Unless you're a rat whose goal it is to grow really big, really fast, this idea of "first class" protein is bunk.
Humans are biologically omnivores. This means we *can* eat meat, or we *can* thrive on a plant-based diet. Where we differ from other animals, though, is our ability to and our responsibility to weigh the ethical impact of our decisions. You, yourself, are doing it by being choosier about the meats you eat; this goes to show that you do realize there is an negative ethical impact to eating factory farmed meat. Vegetarians are just going a step further and refusing to participate in the slaughter of animals at all. Since nobody is going to pry the cheeseburger from your hands, why do you even care that some of us have chosen a path that's a little narrower than yours? Open your mind a bit more than that.
you're right, the human body is engineered to consume both meat and plant material, not just one of them.
vegetarians suck
LOL Vegetarians are great and everything but the fanaticism of pushing anything on anybody whether it be religion or a freakin green bean it's just not right. To each their own.
and I just ate for breakfast animals
Eggs (animal)
Pig (bacon)
Cow (patties)
YUMMMM LOL that is to all you veggie whackos rofl