How can vegans take medications or vaccines?!
And yes there are facilities where people house snakes in cages just for the purposes of milking the snakes for their venom. How is this any different then milk?
Answers: I mean some vaccines are made out of animal by products and all medications are tested on animals? So if you get sick is this one of those times when vegans digress back to a flexatarian lifestyle to suit their current needs? If you got bit by a snake would receive antivenom or just try and suc kit out?
And yes there are facilities where people house snakes in cages just for the purposes of milking the snakes for their venom. How is this any different then milk?
Exploiting animals is OK as long as it saves their life.
Funny isn't it? I know some vegans, and I think if they needed medication and the holistic store couldn't help, they themselves would throw the animals to the lab and ingest their glorious healing powers.
Yes, flexi-troll, they can. Sacrificing one's own health is not an option.
If there is a vegan alternative, they will use it.
Again, you're getting nowhere. Same as it's been for months.
Flexi-troll---they don't answer you because you are irrelevant. You bore them after all of these months. You haven't been, are not and will not ever be a factor here and you hate that don't you?
When attacked, one defends. You attack, they defend. 8 months and still going. Sad.
Umm... I am a vegetarian which is pretty similar to a vegan, and I can still take medicine. Vegans are still human... Seriously, what is so hard to grasp?
that's not a bad question ?.
but i think you would need to ask a vegan this one perhaps the lovely christy can put in her two penny,s worth .
who knows she might not call us all morons and she may take time off from counting her b/f,s sweetcorn to give us all an insight to her vast and intellectual store of knowledge.
or she may well just give a fascist bigoted view
We've been here before, haven't we Flex?
Being a vegan is not about being a martyr. It's about doing all you can and the best you can to minmise your contribution to animal suffering and exploitation.
Medicines are, by law, tested on animals. A seriously ill or injured person has no choice but to accept medication and procedures that have been tested on animals. Any one, vegan or otherwise, who says they wouldn't has never been seriously ill or injured.
I'm vegan, and I accepted life-saving cancer treatment without a second thought. All the medicines and treatments I received and those I'm still receiving have been tested on animals. I would almost certainly be dead without them, and I would do the same tomorrow if I had a recurrence or metastasis.
FlexiVegan and FlexitarianVegan (you know them, eh 'Common Sense'?), neither of whom are actually vegans, have suggested on this board before that I should just have allowed myself to die. They went further - on a board they KNOW is read mainly by very young and impressionable people, they said 'true' vegans would always allow themselves to die if seriously ill or injured, rather than accept medication tested on animals. They apparently feel no shame for any possible distress to families or even deaths that may result from their posing as vegans and giving such advice.
As for vaccines, veganism isn't about putting children at risk either.
So, how can vegans take medications? well, orally, rectally, intravenously - the same way as anyone else.
Edit* Just to be clear, I am NOT 'defending myself' against you or anyone else. The only people I ever encounter who are too ignorant to understand are the 'flexi four' on this board.
That's a really good question, and one that I think everyone has to come up with an answer on their own. My sister and I are vegetarian. We don't eat meat (or any by-products like lard, gelatin, etc) We don't buy leather or tallow candles. Our one exception to animal products are medicinal things that have no alternative.
Again I answer to you, why do have this concept of vegans as being perfect? Of course I have vaccinated my kids (even after all the research I had to do with the connection between autism and the MMR vaccine containing thimerosal (mercury persevative). That was a harder choice to make than being vegan) because it is needed for public schools. But it is a one time thing (OK, there are 8 vaccines the kids nowadays need: mine got the chickenpox, so we bypassed that vaccine!) and it a minor thing compared to choices that you make everyday.
It is more of an awareness of what you are consuming, and if there was any suffering involved with the product. I think being an environmentalist is alot harder than being a vegan, when you consider if the product makes the planet suffer.
I agree with you and your argument can be applied to a variety of products, not just medical. A vegan friend of mine recently attended a protest as a first aid officer and of course, didn't make his own supplies, but rather bought them... therefore, I guess you could say he was supporting animal testing.
What you're trying to do is probably the exact same thing I tried to do for months -- understand why vegans think they're morally superior and try to show them why they have no right to make the rest of us feel like cr_ap for not being like them.
Unfortunately, the bottom line is that NO vegan is 100% vegan, but at least they are fighting for a worthy cause. When you come across an extremist who wants to jump down your throat about it, just kick back and know that at least you're not a self righteous hypocrite like they are.
You keep with this flexitarian as though it exists.... what gives?
How can they? I belive that do all you can do is what the goal is with vegans. I don't believe that it is considered a choice as there are no other options except death. Are you really that linear?