Vegans: Why do you not eat cheese, milk, butter, eggs, honey etc. ?!
It would be interesting to know why, as it does not hurt the animal to gain these things from it, so as long as it is free range I do not see the problem?
I am vegetarian btw.
Answers: I've been wondering this for a while.
It would be interesting to know why, as it does not hurt the animal to gain these things from it, so as long as it is free range I do not see the problem?
I am vegetarian btw.
Because animals are exploited, even when they're not primarily killed for food.
Dairy cows have to have a calf roughly each year to be milked. The calves are killed straight away or sold as veal. Dairy cows typically produce 10x as much milk as they would naturally and work the equivalent of running a marathon each year. They can hardly walk and are exhausted by 4 years of age (they can live up to around 25) at which point they are killed. They are raped to have calves, the equipment used is referred to as the "rape-rack" by exploiters themselves.
Chickens are exploited for eggs, even in 'free-range' and 'organic' systems - even 'free-range' hens are packed into a dark barn, there are a few small exits but hardly any of them ever see the light of day. Even more shocking, since very, very few males are needed to breed, the vast, vast majority of male chicks are killed after just 1 day of life (that is when they can be sexed)
Bees are also victims of exploitation. Many are crushed during the 'harvesting' of their honey, they are basically gassed to subdue them, their wings are clipped so they cannot swarm (a natural behaviour), the queens are systematically killed after each year and are fertilized with 'stuff' from beheaded males.
A general rule is that where people are making money out of animals, they will be treated horribly.
I'm not vegan, but the fat in milk, cheese and butter and eggs does create a health issue that has nothing to do with cruelty to animals. Honey is just insect processed sugar. It is no more or less healthful than pure, white C& H. Besides, if you eat honey, you're depriving the bees of their food.
Well im not a vegatarian, but milk, cheese, and butter after a long process with other ingrediants also come from cows, just like ground beef. Eggs, probably because they dont want to eat something that could have been an animal. I respect vegetarians, but your missing out on some good food.
I hope this helped.
When cows are producing these things at a commercial level, it's not a good thing for them. their teets get infected from the milking machines.
Chickens who are bred to produce eggs, are often confined to the cage their entire lives, so much - that theit feet literally grow into the wire cage.
it's unethical treatment of animals.
Because they are animals. Eating egg is like eating a hen's child. Animals like bees work hard to get the honey and they get treated bad.
If I consume products with these ingredients, I am contributing to and promoting the continued mistreatment of animals.
Free range means the animals can walk. Aren't animals supposed to walk?
Free range only provides specifications on the area the animals are contained in (the specifications are not enough in my opinion). It does not provide specifications on how the animals are to be treated or where they go or what is done to them when they are no longer of use.
If I believed there was actually a farm that humanely produced these products, I would eat them.
well the animals that are not free range, even though they are not killed, they are still not treated right
and the health is another issue, dairy is actually pretty bad for you and the soy milk and other soy substitutes just taste better or they taste the exact same...
...so it really is just for health
The dairy industry must keep cows constantly impregnated or the milk dries up. (It's breast milk- for calves.) They don't need the male offspring- so they get sold for veal.
Egg producers (even "free range" which is a joke) don't need the male chicks, so when the chicks are "sexed" they toss them into plastic garbage bags.
I'm not one of those vegans with a lot of "fluffy bunny" feelings-
but come on dude, that's just sick.
Dairy products (which includes milk, cheese, butter, etc): Comes from a cow mostly (but also goats, etc), is extremely harmful to humans health. Animal milk links to heart disease, breast cancer, prostate cancer, allergies, constipation, anemia, diabetes, and osteoporosis, not to mention makes autism worse because of the casein. Cow’s milk. It’s hard for humans to digest, it causes acidity in the body which can actually weaken bones over time, and it’s certainly not as good a source of calcium as vegetables are. Also, the stuff that ends up on dairy shelves are contaminated with cow’s blood, pus, feces, pesticides, and hormones. It is saturated with fat and cholesterol. Calves stomachs are designed to handle lactose, as humans stomachs cannot. And the female mammal the milk comes from is not only raped/force impregnated, she is treated horrible, and is fed with hormones which makes her stay pregnant for a while which hurts, and has milking machines hooked up to her nipples which sucks hard, it hurts as well. Also when the mother has her child, the child is taken away almost automatically, and if a girl put into the milking production, and if a boy killed and made veal. Cows live for about 25 years and produce milk for about nine years. The stress of the factory farm leads to disease, lameness and reproductive problems and most cows die or are sent to the slaughterhouse in four years.
Eggs: Most of the time, the mothers (laying hens) are treated horrible, abused, even free range chickens are. As well they are always debeaked (which is extremely painful, the pain is comparable to having a human fingernail removed by the quick of the nail, neurophysiological and behavioural evidence that beak trimming leads to both acute and chronic pain) Plus the eggs are either a female chickens menstruation or her baby.
Honey: The bees are often treated bad, with their wings ripped off so they won't fly. And honey is practically bee vomit.
Etc: Basically, same as above, I don't believe in abuse, torture and suffering of anything, since most/all of the animal products contains the animal suffering, I rather not be apart of that. Also I rather not consume/use any animal product, there is this big sick factor of that.
Cheese, milk and butter come from dairy cattle; eggs are from chickens and honey is from bees.
Bees, chickens and dairy cattle are animals, and vegans don't eat animals.
Cheese comes from cows, which comes from their milk. The cows are hooked up to a machine, and they are pumped and pumped, till there is no more milk left. Then, they start pumping out blood, and then their teats get infected, and then they pump out pus! poor cows, all that misery they have to go through, just so that you can drink its milk? (blood, pus and all)which is actually meant for their babies, not us! Would a calf drink our breast milk? I don't think so.
Then the poor hens have to sit, cooped up in a cage, all crammed together, and are forced to lay eggs one after the other, lights are turned on in the hen house, all night, so they think its morning, and lay eggs. What would happen if we make a woman continuously give birth to one child after another for the rest of her life? Umm, she probably won't live very long. Most of the hens get infected, and die of some disease, and then we all happily eat their diseased eggs!
Diseased animals=diseased milk, eggs, butter, cheese etc etc. Consumption of diseased milk, eggs, butter, cheese = diseased people.
Because the animals do not give it to us willingly.
It does, in fact, hurt the animal to gain those things from it. The egg and dairy industries are unspeakably cruel and their products are unnecessary and unhealthy in the diet.
How is it not hurtful to forcibly impregnate a cow over and over again so she produces milk constantly, then remove her offspring from her immediately after birth so we get the milk instead? Dairy cows live only about 1/3 the lifespan that they would naturally, which is a pretty clear indicator that what we do to them is hurtful. Male calves are destined for the veal crates; I'm sure as a vegetarian you recognize the unique cruelty inherent in veal production, but if you drink milk, you're supporting it.
Laying hens are debeaked with a hot knife and crammed into battery cages with half a dozen other hens. They spend their lives standing on wire to the point where their feet grow deformed, they don't even have the room to spread their wings and if they stop laying they are either starved (force moulting) until they begin again or they are slaughtered for dog food. Male chicks are killed as soon as they are sexed, having no role in egg laying. Free range is a meaningless label because there is no legal requirements defining what it means. Any egg producer can use the label.
Honey is less obvious because many people have a hard time ascribing the same value to a bee's life as they do to a mammal's life, but bees are killed in the process of harvesting honey. They make it to nourish themselves through the winter and when we take it, bees starve. They are usually smoked out of their hives for collection and bees die that way also.
Because it's cruel how the baby cows are snatched away from their mothers after birth so humans can drink the cows milk instead of the babies! Also they unnaturally pregnant the female cow too much to produce milk which causes stress and is rape to me.
Hens are forced to lay eggs too much too, and even in free range can be treated badly by doing so. Also by going the words of Hitler an egg is like a fetus! (he was veggie and hated the thought of eating eggs and meat)
i still have honey though and i'm vegan, not all vegans don't have honey.
I'm not vegan but I think that the reason that they don't eat those products is because it comes from animals and they don't want to eat animals or anything that comes from it. Eggs are basically animals, unborn fetus. I know that some people don't drink milk or anything that comes from milk because they belive that its for the animals baby. You wouldn't drink a womans breast milk so why would you drink animals milk