Some Vegans and Vegetarians Believe Abortion is Ok?!
This entails the baby in the womb, to be torn apart limb by limb, and the scull to be crushed if it is too big to be vacuumed out by a suction.
Why is it that many vegans and vegetarians think that a great injustice is being done to animals in the slaughter houses and farms , but its ok for humans to be killed by their mothers and the Dr.s ?
Shouldn't there be a Peta for babies, and why aren't extra funds going into stopping the killing of innocent children, but yet being put into Peta's cause instead (or just as much)?
Answers: Many Vegans and Vegetarians believe that a woman has a right over her own body, and has a right to have her unborn child killed.
This entails the baby in the womb, to be torn apart limb by limb, and the scull to be crushed if it is too big to be vacuumed out by a suction.
Why is it that many vegans and vegetarians think that a great injustice is being done to animals in the slaughter houses and farms , but its ok for humans to be killed by their mothers and the Dr.s ?
Shouldn't there be a Peta for babies, and why aren't extra funds going into stopping the killing of innocent children, but yet being put into Peta's cause instead (or just as much)?
I think you will find that the VOC (vegans of convenience) in this section really don't care about human life very much. They would take a squirrel over a human. Pretty sad considreing humans are animals to. I actually had one vegan nutter yesterday who said that victims of child slavery could always run away!!! This is the lunacy you ar dealing with here.
I believe in a woman's right to choose, but then I am a flexitarian and will eat a burger if I fee like it.
I'm vegan and I've never had an abortion.
Get over it.
You care more about a fetus than you do the pregnant woman.
You are the fool that would make it illegal and force women to have abortions in even more unsafe conditions.
Nobody thinks that abortion is a good thing, especially me.
Get the fu*ck out.
Why only Vegetarians and Vegans??? I think there are certain situations where abortion is the only option and I think it is only for the parents to decide.... no matter if they are Vegan, Vegetarian, meat eaters or spaghetti eaters or who ever. I think everyone should mind their own business.
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People who ask these questions really p-iss me off and the reason why is my friend recently had to have an abortion because there were complications with the foetus and the complications were going to KILL her. She had to make a medical/health decision based on her other 4 children and their needs. The decision has caused this poor woman to become literally hysterical so grow up little girl and stop baiting people - sometimes peopel have to do things for health reasons and those decisions compromise their etics but sometimes they have to be done like operating on co joined twins at the head - do you allow both to die or one to die? Go away. Incidently my friend is a vegan and holds life in high regard but with a sick 8 week foetus and the possibility of her dying what were her choices and then people like you trol here go away!!!
Why do pro- life supporters eat meat?
Yes, there are millions fighting against abortions in this country. Do you not listen to election debates? What do you think the right wing Christians are fighting for? Pro Life. They are eating baby cows, and yelling "Pro - life". Why is that? Yeah actually, I want to know why are pro lifers still eating meat? - If you have an answer let me know. But I doubt you will!
Carnivore, if you joined yahoo answers just to say mean things to vegetarians and vegans then you really need to rethink what is moral. Is this some sort of crusade against people who don't eat meat, because there is sooo much better things you can be doing with your time. If you feel strongly about pro-life then join a group for that but don't blame us for killing babies. That is just juvenile. Again as I explained in the answer to your other question vegetarians and vegans do not all think alike. They can be democratic, republican, pro-life, pro-choice, whatever. Stop thinking that we are all the same person.
I am not going to even address the abortion thing because you came about it in the entirely wrong manner. If you rephrase the question maturely and logically maybe I will listen.
Some people believe in abortion, some don't.
The best we can do is not push our beliefs onto one another.
Women have abortions for various reasons. Some are too young for instance, and unfortunately some don't have family structure and support. Sometimes it is the womans health, some women are scared, some don't want a baby.
In my own personal beliefs of a middle ground for both sides:
If the fetus can survive outside the womb, then it can be considered a baby.
If a being so chooses to terminate their pregnancy, then so be it. Life as we know it, legally, starts at birth. Are you 30 years old or 30 and 9 months?
There are countless animals, insects, and otherwise that eat their young. So should we imprison or shun Tasmanian Devils because they eat the young that are too slow to make it to their marsupial pouch?
Nature is an interesting thing. Fetuses don't have meaningful relationships and they have no way to understand a correlation between life and death, thinking and non-thinking. They are, in effect, not living until they are older than 5 or 6 months in the womb.
Are you, by chance, Mike Huckabee, conservative christian to the stars?
Get a sensitivity shot, will you?
*sigh* A fetus is a parasite. A pregnant woman is a host. A fetus cannot survive on its own without its host.
Besides, the abortion fight will never be settled. People have different ideas on when life begins, whether it's conception, birth, or somewhere in the middle.
p.s. You should do a search instead of posting redundant questions.
p.p.s. You're asking the wrong question. You should be asking how someone can be pro"life" and NOT vegan.
Get over your jealousy of vegetarians chic. I aient sure but them there babies you speak of can't really suffer in the womb. Them there animals we eat can suffer if raised wrong. And why do you care, if you be pro life then you shouldn't eat animals yourself.
Your lurid descriptions of the abortion process are wildly inaccurate; you seem to have been exposed to some pretty over-the-top propaganda from an anti-choice organisation.
Nobody thinks 'abortion is ok'. Abortion is a hideous experience. Being pro-choice is another matter..
I'm vegan and I'm very much pro-choice; the two things have nothing to do with each other.
I'm a socialist, so for me it's a class issue. In countries where abortion is illegal, women have abortions anyway - dangerous, life threatening and sometimes fatal abortions. This used to happen in countries where abortion is legal, and still does where it is legal but in reality hard to get.
It is women without the money to buy safe abortions - something wealthy women have always been able to do, legal abortion or no - who died and continue to die. I care about their lives so I'm pro-choice.
I'm old enough to remember the time before abortion was legal in my country - I'm guessing you're not. I remember the whispers about a friend's teenage cousin who died following a botched illegal abortion.
I am strongly in favour women being in control of their own lives and destinies, and part of this is control over their own fertility. With the best will in the world contraception sometimes fails.
I'm vegan because I choose to minimise my contribution to animal suffering. I'm pro-choice because I value the lives of women and their right to choose. Yes, many people support both these positions. Many more support one or other of these positions. Many support neither.
Blah, blah, blah................whatever.
Vegetarians and vegans do NOT actually eat / consume the flesh of an aborted baby. So really your statement is completely irrelevant.
This is meant to be a “food & drink” forum, it has absolutely nothing to do with medical procedures.
So please post your idiotic and religious zealot statements elsewhere.
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A lot of vegans are atheists and believe that sentience is the sole requirement for rights.
If the fetus is not aware, then it has as little rights as a non-aware plant. To say that it has rights because it would grow into a human is also illogical - you'd have to call people immoral for not having children because their eggs and sperm have the potential of growing into sentient life forms.
I agree with abortion as long as it's done before the fetus is aware.
On the other hand, perhaps one should consider that by granting an unborn baby its life, one will cause more net suffering (that is, over all suffering on the planet) than if that unborn baby was to be aborted. The world is overcrowded, the average meat-eater causes the death of 2000 animals, we're all going to die if the planet's climate gets any more out of synch... This is just the abstract, it's a moral gray area for me.
The PETA remark... I'm not a fan of PETA, their tactics leave a lot to be desired, but why should all the funds be pulled out of animal welfare and put into anti-abortion campaigns? Do you really think that human life is more valuable than nonhuman animal life?
You can't belittle the message of a movement by criticising the activists for not equally supporting other causes. You wouldn't say that feminism is useless because they're all hypocrits for not supporting human rights, or that human rightists are useless because they don't equally support race equality. We all have our callings, for all different reasons.
Like Krister said, no one NO ONE thinks abortions are good. I don't know what I'd do if I ever had to make this decision.
However, all situations are not the same. And you just can't force a woman to carry a baby if she doesn't want to. Is it right to have an abortion? No, it's horrible. And every woman that's ever had one has felt horrible about it. But this decision can only be made by the woman. Not by me, and not by you.
Would you force a 12 year old rape victim to carry a pregnancy to term? This is just an example.
I have no problem with the fact of putting an end to the development of cells that have no life in them yet. Abortions are legal at a very early stage only, where the baby isn't formed yet. It doesn't have a brain or nerves yet, and feels nothing. It's just a small group of cells, basically. It's not at all the same as killing a baby, who is a living being. It's as if you said you were against having your period, because it destroys cells.
On the other hand, we have the meat industry that breeds, ill treats and kills billions of living beings every year. So yeah, I fight against that, but I agree with abortion.
Go vegan!
1) I believe in preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place--contraception. However, it should be up to a woman to decide when and if she becomes a mother. Many people in the "pro-life" movement oppose contraception.
2) How can you be pro-life and still eat meat? Did you know that 10 BILLION animals are born, bred, mutilated, and murdered every year for food in the U.S.? Those animals are torn apart in the slaughterhouse, and unlike a 10-week fetus who hasn't any sentience yet, they suffer greatly.
3) Oh, yeah, over 90 percent of all abortions take place before 10 weeks.
4) There are pro-life vegans and pro-choice omnivores.
5) PETA is funded by donations from people, not the government. There are plenty of anti-choice organizations out there who advocate for turning women into incubators. And some of them use the same ugly shock tactics, too. Or are you too young to remember Operation Rescue, headed by a former used car salesman?
6) Maybe you so-called pro-lifers should care about what happens after the kid is born. I care more about actual life than potential life--and that means, humans and non-human animals WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN BORN.
7) This is a vegetarian and vegan board, about vegetarian and vegan living. Maybe you could ask your question somewhere else.
Because the mother has the right to choose and can abort her pregnancy if she wants to. Your consent is not needed.
Giving women a choice doesn't always end in abortion, but women should have that option.
Pay no attention to C.S.-troll and his blather. Just an ID of flexi-troll(s) who, as you can see with 99% of it's posts (including the one here), is here to harass. The questions it asks may appear serious but as a 9 month track record has shown, are only intended to "trip up" a veger. It's not interested in the answer beyond hopes of guilting someone. It also has clones of some of us to harass us. You can see one of the flex' clones (or more) stars almost every question they answer. Oh look, there's one starring this question too. The flexi-trolls are malevolent and if at anytime appear friendly or constructive, you can be sure their goal is simply to sway opinion against those of us who have endured their B.S. for months and make a stand against it/them. That's why we're all blocked by them, because we interrupt and de-fuse their agenda.
Good point, very good point !
you hit the nail on the head and got some anger stirred up, convicting the wrong doers...good for you, good for you
keep up the good work
You are right regarding your question....
SOME vegans and vegetarians do believe abortion is ok.
But then .....why target just vegetarians or vegans when....
SOME Men believe abortion is ok,
SOME Women do,
SOME Christians do,
SOME Hindus do,
SOME Muslims do,
SOME Jewish do,
SOME Whites do,
SOME Blacks do,
SOME Meateaters do,
SOME Asians do,
SOME Athists do,
SOME People do!
We vegetarians/vegans have a peta. Some good soul started a peta for what we believe in, and we are proud of it !
If you are anti abortion, start an organization for what you believe in!
Go for it.
Just dont target us cos we are just minding our business :)