Cruelty is cruelty, regardless of whether animals were involved or not.
What an odd point you are trying to make. (and unsuccessfully)
Well on most issues it would be absurd to ask: 'Do vegetarians think this?', because they have diverse opinions on all subjects.
But few human beings, whatever their dietary choices, would agree that child cruelty and exploitation were acceptable. The only people who would find it acceptable are those carrying it out and the few who profit financially from it, because to them profit is more important than people.
I'm not sure why you would think it might be acceptable to people who had chosen to exclude meat from their diets, unless you are just trying to be provocative and say if you care about one form of cruelty you must be indifferent to all others, which is patently absurd.
I'm vegan, and all vegans and vegetarians I've ever met, and 99.99999% of the ones I've encountered on here, value human life way, way over animal life. I have no time for anyone who doesn't.
****“The link between animal abuse and more violent conduct has clearly been established. The dismembered remains of dogs and cats today could well be that of CHILDREN TOMORROW.”…. Humbolt County District Attorney Terry Farmer
http://www.nmanimalcontrol.com/the_link/...****“PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLENT TO ANIMALS rarely stop there”….Information for prosecutors, Judges, and Law-Enforcement Officers.
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There are few ways to address this issue:
1) There is no moral judgment for a greed farmer, or need to be a vegetarian, or to show compassion to his fellow workers. This is freakonomics world.
2) Almost 85% of the world’s food and land resources are tied up in producing beef and other livestock-food for the well-off, while million of children and adults suffer in poverty and starvations are tight up and forced to work in hazardous and cheap labor. The similar situation happen in oil palm estates worldwide where cheap labor and children often used to cut cost. 80% of palm oil production is being used as edible oil for deep frying in fast food centre. Hence the major outcry should come from the fellow meaters, rulers and religious leaders. If the public knew more about the way in which agricultural and animal production infringes on animal and poor human welfare, the OUTCRY WOULD BE LOUDER.
3) When nonvegetarians say that "human problems come first," I cannot help wondering what exactly it is that they are doing for human beings that compels them to continue to support the wasteful, ruthless exploitation of farm animals. Among the factors that make it difficult to arouse public concern about animals, perhaps the hardest to overcome is the assumption that "HUMAN BEINGS COME FIRST" and that any problem about animals cannot be comparable, as a serious MORAL or POLITICAL issue, to the problems about humans. A number of things can be said about this assumption. First, it is in itself an indication of SPECIESISM. How can anyone who has not made a thorough study of the topic possibly know that the problem is less serious than problems of HUMAN SUFFERING? One can claim to know this only if on assumes that animals really do not matter, then the children do not matter and that however much they suffer, their suffering is less important than the suffering of humans. But pain is pain, and the importance of preventing unnecessary pain and suffering does not diminish because the being that suffers is not a member of our species. What would we think of someone who said that "whites come first" and that therefore poverty in Africa does not pose as serious a problem as poverty in Europe? Suffering of children is less important than the adults? Most “reasonable” people want to prevent CHILD ABUSE, RACIAL INEQUALITY, POVERTY, SPECIESISM, WAR and SLAUGHTERHOUSES. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered and thousands of children are abused every day without a shadow of remorse. If any person were to refer to it, they would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime. That alone is the justification of all that humans may suffer for his own evil intention. Helpless animal and children cries vengeance upon all the human race. If God exists and tolerates it, it cries vengeance upon God. I believe in my heart that faith in Jesus Christ can and will lead us beyond an exclusive concern for the well-being of other human beings to the broader concern for the well-being of the birds in our backyards, the fish in our rivers, and every living creature on the face of the earth.
That’s one reason why we vegan always outcry against cruelty to animals. Eating of pets and child abuse today, genocide and famine tomorrow, and what else to come? True human goodness, in all its purity and freedom, can come to the fore only when its recipient has no power. “Humanity’s true MORAL TEST, it’s FUNDAMENTAL TEST (which lies deeply buried from view), consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy: from animals then towards children and those helpless. And in this respect humankind has suffered a fundamental debacle, a debacle so fundamental that all others stem from it. Real vegetarians will empathize your question.
VEGETARIANIS & VEGANISM WORKS TOWARDS THE “ROOT”.
Until he extends his circle of compassion to all living things, man himself will not find peace.
And the eating of meat extinguishes the seed of great compassion.
(This is not Food&Drink Q, but supposed to be under Society & Culture anyway). Good question and highlight, tks>
Most vegetarians are against cruelty in general, which you are somehow trying to distort into the other way around. Humans are animals, therefore any violation of "animal rights" I'd think a vegetarian is against.
mkay if someone is cruel to a child, that is wrong to anyones thinking, and to KING, i live in illinois every july with my grandparents and they have cattle and they are the most loving people ever... that is the USA... i dont know about china and junk but whatever
I think KING & -tweedie- have made the points there.
And King, i like your quote...WORKING TOWARDS THE ROOT<<<
(>> I start hearing that neighborhood pets and children are start missing in some countries; Do you allow to eat the adorable beings anyway>>>?)
If you buy any goods that were manufactured in Third World countries, can you rest assured that it was produced under conditions that respect the safety and human rights of the workers (as we understand them in the USA)? I don't think so.
Contrary to popular belief, vegetarians also care about people.
The way I see it, a vegetarian is someone who is living every day with the fate of other living, FEELING creatures in mind. Personally, I would of course try to be mind full of the origins of goods I purchase.
I do not force my views on others, I do not think I am living a 'cruelty free life', but at least I try.
Some people never EVER stop to think about the life which the slab of flesh on their fork had, or had to endure when it was alive.Others actually LAUGH at those of us who are against contributing to the cruelty inflicted on animals.
Some will never try to begin to contemplate how their actions directly affect people they will never even meet. By that, I also include people who are working in slaughterhouses. That is not a life anyone should have to live either. It is cruel for humans involved too..
I don't think there has to be one or the other here. People need to be more aware of where their products are coming from, and what kind of people they are really handing over their money to. PLEASE WATCH You Tube video entitled 'Maximum Humans Can do'. And try to think.....
I think the differences are summed up in 2 points.
1. The children DO have a choice - (granted maybe not much - work or starve, but it IS a choice).
2. The children dont get eaten, animals do
Nothing can ever be perfect, so lets just do our best and stop being pedantic and trolling ok?
Now, I personally DO eat meat - but i respect the animal that fed me by never leaving meat uneaten on my plate. Is that weird? Who cares. Its all protein in the end.