Does the commandment DO NOT KILL refer to any living animal?!
DO NOT MURDER.
This misinterpretation of the bible has led people to kill and torture animals beyond limits for food.
First of all, meat is NOT required for humans. All the nutrition and more, which is not in meat is present in plants, because the meat itself is formed only from plants!
Meat has excess protein which overloads the kidney and makes it fail faster. Vegetarian food like grains, pulses and milk has the correct required quantity of protiens,
ONLY MEAT HAS THE TERRIBLE CHOLESTEROL,
A THREAT TO ALL,
FORCING ONE DAY A DOCTOR CALL,
AND YOUR BANK BALANCE TO FALL!
Why eat something which is not needed and kill innocent animals which caused you no harm.
Meat eaters also harm the earth as the unused meat releases methane gas and causes ozone depletion.
Meat harms the body because it is toxic and our body is NOT designed to digest meat. We have to modify meat to look like vegetarian food. Are we not cheating our stomach?
Answers: If it was only to humans then the commandment would have been
DO NOT MURDER.
This misinterpretation of the bible has led people to kill and torture animals beyond limits for food.
First of all, meat is NOT required for humans. All the nutrition and more, which is not in meat is present in plants, because the meat itself is formed only from plants!
Meat has excess protein which overloads the kidney and makes it fail faster. Vegetarian food like grains, pulses and milk has the correct required quantity of protiens,
ONLY MEAT HAS THE TERRIBLE CHOLESTEROL,
A THREAT TO ALL,
FORCING ONE DAY A DOCTOR CALL,
AND YOUR BANK BALANCE TO FALL!
Why eat something which is not needed and kill innocent animals which caused you no harm.
Meat eaters also harm the earth as the unused meat releases methane gas and causes ozone depletion.
Meat harms the body because it is toxic and our body is NOT designed to digest meat. We have to modify meat to look like vegetarian food. Are we not cheating our stomach?
Bible or no bible..Meat is disgusting and unhealthy.
no. plants are living creatures as well. so is the Bible saying we should eat nothing?
I don't have any religious beliefs, but I think that when it comes to animal, human, and environmental-welfare I have ethics and morals that far outreach even the most fervent religious person.
I do see your point about a misrepresentation in the bible but I don't think most religious people care. They are only interested in molding the words into what best suits their lifestyle. I don't get it. It's a 2,000 year old fairy tale.
Nice rant. No it doesn't
Maybe maybe not, who knows if the bible is even true. Aren't you a Troll?
this is similar to socialist (aka communist) thought.
though the ideal, logically proper thing to do would be to do what you suggest, human nature cannot permit it. just like how creating a peace-based society where everyone is kept safe (albeit against their will) by a government, it's just not the right way to go.
Unfortunately, the commandment you are ranting against was written during a time when none of the "facts" you site were known by anybody. You're talking about 3,000 years ago. Plus, that same book had a host of animal sacrifices ordered by and offered up to god in it. (ever read it?) The real reason people who revere the bible can kill animals is because in Genesis "man" was given dominion over all beasts so you really can't use that book as an ally in your cause.
bad religion... amen... and i dont believe that meat harms our body, to a certain extent. animals eat raw meat and they have been around for millions of years. dinosaurs ate meat for millions of years and didn't have any trouble digesting it and being able to reproduce before they died.
Your intentions may be just in your eyes, but you're a FREAK!!
Human needs nutrients that only come from the domesticated creatures that are established within the human food chain. Over 90% of the worlds living creatures, be they a Gnat, Fly, Lion Cub, Elephant Calf depart this wonderful Earth through the stomach and intestines of another creature. Are we no different from the Animal Kingdom, or are the Veggie Brigage" out to kill human life ??
Veggies pollute the atmosphere when they fart with their extreme gases collected from inapproprite diets, so they are potentially a greater threat than bears Shi**ing the woods.
Oh, religion - the biggest curse to mankind - and surely the only thing that will beat global warmng to the destruction of the planet.
WRONG! the Torah, the original source of the ten commandments in Hebrew states you shall not do murder. biblical sources command us to eat meat in Genesis, judges and Leviticus just off the top of my head.
for those not biblically inclined, human teeth and the human digestive tract are evolved for an omnivorous/opportunistic carnivorous diet.
if you choose for what ever reason to live a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle and can maintain good health that way that is fine, but leave me and my steaming bloody joint of beef alone.
deal with that!
I'm not a Bible scholar or even religious any longer, but I grew up in a Catholic family (and I'm vegan so this is not me trying to put you down for your diet). However your reasoning is a bit flawed.
As far as I remember, Jesus (who is God to Christians) ate fish, right? So that was killing and eating meat.
In a Biblical perspective, humans are not seen as equal to animals, humans rank ABOVE other animals because humans have souls and are made in the image of God.
Also many conservative Christian groups reject the theory of evolution and reject claims that men are just animals that are driven by biological forces that have been shaped for millions of years.
Throughout the Bible, especially in the old testament, it was even encouraged and smiled upon to offer dead animals to God. Some were even willing to offer their own children to God.
The Bible centers around humans entirely. It is full of stories about humans and their relationships with God and one another, animals are really not humanized or discussed often except in some instances where they are, once again, eaten, sacrificed or disputed over (what animals does God want us to eat, which doesn't he want us to eat? If you read Leviticus it gets pretty crazy with all the rules - there's even rules about not wearing clothing made of two different fabrics!)
The commandments center around behavior towards fellow mankind.
I can say that from everything I know about the Bible and Christianity, the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill" does NOT apply to animals.
However, let me add, there are plenty of other very valid reasons to be vegetarian or vegan. It is unnecessary to attach religious weight to the arguement or to skew or tilt religious tenets to entice people into it. If you want a religion that encourages vegetarianism or is based solely on the reverent worship of ALL life and a respect for all life (meaning not eating other sentient beings), there are plenty of other faiths that do. In other words, it is not against Christian beliefs to eat meat.
Our history as humans included both plant and animal food intake. Why are you asking us? This is the Vegetarian and Vegan forum. Isn't this a bit like a Christian posting in a Christian forum that they should become Christians?
I don't recall reading that Jesus actually ate meat, but I think he attended gatherings with meat being served. Did he not provide the fish for the famous 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread story?
I am a vegetarian and I feel that is a healthy lifestyle for me. I don't care much for the taste of meat. To me, eating beef seems as alien as eating shoe leather.
I differ from other vegetarians and vegans in that I don't think it's my business to tell others what they should and shouldn't put in their mouths.
Da Vinci, you are a good person for making sure people know/remember this the way you have. kudos
"Thou shalt not kill" ?
On all living things including human lives?
God's natural assets?
Not at own whims and fancy as fun, revenge or ghostly stories.
Only plants, Certain marine, wild life and domestic animals raised for food consumption.
Luke 9.25,55-56,60
What do you think?
I hate it when vegetarians talk about not eating meat because animals are living things. Plants are living things too (they grow) and they are just as innocent as animal (when was the last time a carrot caused any trouble).
i agree with you, but unfortunately many other Christians do not. there is all this talk about respect for human life, but animals are not even considered, even though they are alive and God made them too. i think it's wrong, but what can you do...
I'm sorry but where did you get the idea that our stomach is not designed to digest meat? Please site some sources on the web with scientifically proven fact that it is dangerous to eat meat. When in the first place humans have been and always have been carnivorous.
How can you say that animals are innocent? They are created animals in the first place because they don't have logic and reasoning like we "HUMANS" have. They = animals can kill, breed because that is in their nature, so that means if there are not so innocent animals out there should they also be imprisoned? Of course not, but then again that is what they do to survive. For us " Humans" to survive we need to eat meat and if its in your prerogative that you wont eat meat then that's fine as long as you respect other people's beliefs, opinions and culture that we are entitled to eat meat because we prefer to.
And as long as we solve the world's problem of hunger [think of Africa and some impoverished countries in these world] it won't be necessary how many animals we should consider saving.
Don't be an alien to your species.
I don't read much fiction.
No, you are completely wrong. It was and is only meant to include humans.
You are assuming too many things, the most obvious being:
1) That during the time when the scriptures in the Bible were originally interpreted, there was already a moral debate about animals as food. There was not. while there are passages that say about harmony with all living things, there are many passages that refer to animal consumption and sacrifice. There is no scripture that says eating animals is sinful and there are many lines that say animal sacrifice is a noble act.
2) that the actual scripture, before it was interpreted actually said kill, not murder. Many Bible scholars themselves debate this as the Bible itself does not condemn killing but malicious murder.
You are trying to interpret the Bible through modern social norms and debates. The Bible is a book for those who believe in it. It is not meant for those who wish to interpret its scriptures and passages to fit their own values and moral agenda.The only interpretation that is acceptable is the one as proclaimed by the Church itself. Any other is mere speculation and self serving.
yeah yeah I agree
Hi, just a not3..i have total respect for vegetarians and vegans...its their choice and we shud leave it at that but i dont like the radicals who try and say meat is bad for ur body...it isnt although just like everything too much of sumthing is bad...to many apples and u can suffer acute cyanide poisoning...did u hear bout the guy that drank to much water quikly after a marathon and died because he essentially drowned his body...of course there should be limits but a varied diet is essential and it makes life a bit more enjoyable...arnt we here to enjoy our lives??? oh and our body is designed to eat meat and beg u idiot..go back to school.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. - Genesis 1:29 - seems God was all for us not eating meat originally. We were to have dominion over living creatures but the food part was all veggie.
And soy is carcinogenic (badder cancer), and raw grains and legumes are toxic when uncooked.
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content...
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract...
There are plenty of ethnic groups that eat non-stop fish and meat and have extremely low rates of heart attacks and cancer.
http://www.bitterpoison.com/archive/masa...
Some people have to eat protein or their uric acid levels will get so low they'll accumulate neurological damage. Some people have naturally insulin resistant metabolisms, and a veggie diet will make them obese and diabetic. 70% of the world is lactose intolerant, and an allergy to dairy products is one of the most common allergies there is.
http://www.foodallergysolutions.com/food...
Even gorillas eat meat. All primates consume some animal protein. Google it.
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:w0q...
Paleolithic humans that swapped over to a vegetable/grain based diet were much shorter with smaller brains than their meat gorging hunter gatherer contemporaries, and they lived shorter, less healthy lives, with tooth decay taking real toll. The average hunter gatherer was robustly healthy on a diet comprising of up to 70% and more flesh.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cf...
http://www.biblelife.org/woman7700.htm
All true.
This is the DUMBEST question I've ever seen. Jesus ate meat and fish. And drank wine. God demanded animals be slaughtered as a sacrifice in the Old Testament. Not religious, but I've read the book. Apparently you didn't.
The environmental problems are caused by human overpopulation, not eating meat.
Your biology is as flawed as your interpretation. If this means no killing for food, it surely means no killing of animals. SO not only no killing of mammals, but no birds, parasitic worms, mosquitos, bacteria etc. That means you probably have to stand pretty still when you are outside so as not to squash anything, and also that when you eat your vegetables you don't wash them in anything that Will kill the bugs and bacteria on them. Oh - that means no water so best not to wash them. Of course you probably need to take some serious immunosupressants to stop your body's defences killing all those invaders.
Finally cholesterol is a normal metabolite. Without it you would be dead. Vegetarians or vegans do not have no cholesterol. You make it from the food you eat, whether you eat meat or not.
Another loony on their soap-box.
I will respond to the biblical part only, and ignore the rest of your incoherrent, hypocritical and obnoxious rant.
The commandment of which you speak has no relevance to animals, whatever way you look at it. If you were to look at both the context and language of the original texts, bringng animals into the equation would have been nonsensical.
We are designed to eat meat in sensible quatities. Get over it.
Consider the lamb of the Passover, also commanded by God. If you want to misuse the Bible, then it wexposes your irrelevance because you do not even care to read it properly. I rest my case!
Dont be so naive - and pass the pork pies!