Why do vegetarians never tell you that soy is a recognised cause of cancer?!
Or that.. two recent studies have raised concerns that soy intake may adversely impact on risks of cognitive impairment and infant leukemia .
Or that those legumes they are so dependant on for protein are toxic raw?
Or that eating fish and a reasonable amount of veg eliminates the (small) bowel cancer risk from eating red meat, which only occurs if you eat a LOT of it.
Or that... the only reason veggies live longer is because they have a better socio economic status, and healthier habits.
Or that.. a bunch of studies found no overall increase in death or ill health from eating meat. In fact, eating fish prolongs life.
Or.. that the population with the highest rate of heart attacks in the world is vegetarian.
Or that.. tribes that eat non stop meat and fish are healthy as hell (Saami, Masai), as long as they aren't stuffed full of refined carbs.
Answers: http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content...
Or that.. two recent studies have raised concerns that soy intake may adversely impact on risks of cognitive impairment and infant leukemia .
Or that those legumes they are so dependant on for protein are toxic raw?
Or that eating fish and a reasonable amount of veg eliminates the (small) bowel cancer risk from eating red meat, which only occurs if you eat a LOT of it.
Or that... the only reason veggies live longer is because they have a better socio economic status, and healthier habits.
Or that.. a bunch of studies found no overall increase in death or ill health from eating meat. In fact, eating fish prolongs life.
Or.. that the population with the highest rate of heart attacks in the world is vegetarian.
Or that.. tribes that eat non stop meat and fish are healthy as hell (Saami, Masai), as long as they aren't stuffed full of refined carbs.
Well, let me put it this way... it is pobably best that a person eat a variety of foods in their diet. Even a vegetarian should not rely on soy as their primary source of protien, just as omnivores should not only rely on meat. Anything in excess is going to be bad for you. I don't think meat is always bad for you--I am a vegetarian because I don't like to eat meat. I think that eating too much meat is bad for you, but like I said, eating too much of anything in your diet is going to mess up your nutrition.
whoooo .. glad im not the vegitarian who upset ya
everything is a cause of cancer, no excuse to not live how you want to
what doesn't cause cancer these days?
or that commercially prepared meat substitutes are so full of salts, preservatives and chemicals that they are barely even food products!!
Foods as nature intended are the best, including meat.
Erm OK!!
everything is BAD for you we have become a nation of wet nellies dont do this or that will happen what happened to plain old comman sense and eat and drink anything BUT IN MODERATION
"everything in moderation" even good things are bad in large doses. If you eat large amounts of soy then yes of course it cause problems...just like anything.
Soy is good for you as long as you eat accordingly. within moderation.
I bet if you did your homework on red meat, you could find just as many interesting facts that beg why we ever butchered the first cow...
Health effects
While red meat is a good source of complete protein and iron, its regular consumption presents several health risks, largely due to the saturated fat content of many cuts. It has been suggested that these health risks are largely absent from grass-fed beef (rather than corn-fed beef).
[] Cancer
Recent studies indicate that red meat could pose a notable increase in cancer risk. Some studies have linked consumption of large amounts of red meat with breast cancer,[6] colorectal cancer,[7][8] stomach cancer,[9] lymphoma,[10] bladder cancer[11] and prostate cancer.[11][12] Furthermore, there is convincing evidence that consumption of beef, pork, lamb, and goat from domesticated animals is a cause of colorectum cancer.[13] Professor Sheila Bingham of the Dunn Human Nutrition Unit attributes this to the haemoglobin and myoglobin molecules which are found in red meat. She suggests these molecules, when ingested trigger a process called nitrosation in the gut which leads to the formation of carcinogens.[14][15] Overall, the relative risk of developing a fatal cancer in non meat-eaters is 0.61 compared to people who eat red meat regularly.[16]
Eating cooked red meat may increase the likelihood of cancer because carcinogenic compounds called heterocyclic amines are created during the cooking process. Heterocyclic amines may not explain why red meat is more harmful than other meat, however, as these compounds are also found in poultry and fish, which have not been linked to an increased cancer risk.[17]
[edit] Cardiovascular diseases
Red meat has a high content of saturated fat, which is associated with cardiovascular diseases.[11] One study has determined that the death rate of non meat-eaters due to heart diseases is 0.72 compared to meat eaters, although the study stated that no firm conclusion as to the reason for this difference can be made based on the data.[16]
A 1999 study funded by the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, an advocacy group for beef producers, involved 191 persons with high cholesterol on diets where at least 80% of the meat intake came from either lean red meat in one group, or lean white meat in another. The results of this study showed nearly identical cholesterol, and triglyceride levels in both groups. This study suggests that lean red meat may play a role in a low-fat diet for persons with high cholesterol. [18] [19]
[edit] Other health issues
Regular consumption of red meat has also been linked to bone loss,[20] type 2 diabetes,[21] hypertension[11] and arthritis.[11]
Well there are studies on both sides of the issue. Maybe soy does cause cancer in isolated cases but it does reduce the risk of heart disease, which is a larger killer of people than cancer. This could affect red-meat eaters as well, if true, because cattle are fed enormous quantities of soy. And soy is in most foods. If you look at the back of the package for ingredients, many many foods will say it contains soy, soybean oil, soy protein, etc. Soy is not exclusively vegetarian as shown in your article.
Oh by the way, the people in the article are from an area where vegetarianism is hard to come by, so how do they not know that it could have been a combination of their meat intake and soy intake?
are you actually arguing that vegetarianism is unhealthy??? That's a silly argument-you can quote sources 'till you're blue in the face, but it won't change the fact that a diet laden with red meat creates plaque which causes coronary heart disease that kills 85% of people over the age of 65.
Here is what is known about the possible health benefits of becoming a vegetarian. Heart Disease On average, vegetarians have lower levels of the blood fats, cholesterol and triglycerides than meat eaters of similar age and social status have. High levels of blood fats are associated with an increased risk of heart disease. Lacto-ovo vegetarians, those who eat eggs and dairy products, which contain cholesterol-raising saturated fats and cholesterol, have higher cholesterol levels than do vegans, as those who abstain from all animal foods are called. But even among lacto-ovo vegetarians, cholesterol levels are generally lower than they are among meat eaters.
that is from this article
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...
Yes, battery-produced meat is bad for you. People like it because it's cheap .... preferring not to know that they will eventually pay a price for it, whether they like it or not.
On the evidence of the link you provide, your claim that soy causes cancer is as flimsy as that for the oft-repeated claim on here that meat causes cancer, or the claim that dairy causes cancer.
Your link is to a single study into the possibility of soy as a risk factor for a single type of cancer (bladder) whose results are not conclusive.
The rest of your 'question' is a rant. And many of the points you raise have been mentioned and discussed on this forum a number of times, in particular this one ''the only reason veggies live longer is because they have a better socio economic status, and healthier habits''.
Must try harder.
Edit** Providing evidence and references for your claims is anal???
I have to assume that as you chose one of many you chose the best and most convincing...
''google it next time''? The onus is on you to back up your argument - which you have failed abysmally to do - not on me to google and do further research for you. Nice try.
Because some of it might be true and some isn't. Unfortunately, nothing completely eliminates the risk of cancer, if it did the world would be much better, plus it would be illegal NOT to eat it if it had such a major impact on one of the biggest killers of our time.
Firstly, soy isn't the only source of protein for vegetarians. In fact, I'd advise against relying too heavily on one type of any food...variety is the key. Secondly, there's many reasons for vegetarianism besides health. Even if vegetarianism wasn't healthier than an omnivorous diet I'd still be vegetarian.
Metta
ok, ***** it lets eat all the cows and chickens we can eat!!?? is that what u want us to say?
we dont do it for us, but for the animals!!
Here is a very detailed article by Edensoy which compiled results of scientific studies that seem to refute a lot of the charges leveled at soy products.
http://www.edenfoods.com/articles/view.p...
I don't think there are a lot of raw fooders in the veg population and even so I don't know that beans are all that toxic raw...You probably shouldn't eat meat raw either as far as that goes....
If eating fish eliminates the risk for small bowel cancer caused by eating red meat, then why not just cut out the red meat AND the fish? Then you can reduce your cholesterol and reduce chances of heart attack, stroke and other blood vessel disorders caused by high cholesterol?
Your bladder cancer study INCLUDED SMOKERS, which is a leading CAUSE of bladder cancer. It says it took that into consideration, but it should have left smokers out ENTIRELY!!
Fish has long chain omega 3's but flax seeds are a top PLANT source of short chain omega 3's with NONE OF THE CHOLESTEROL found in fish. Flax seeds or flax oil consumption is thought to perhaps be protective against breast cancer. Fish is also much lower in vitamin E than the plant sources of omega 3's. All omega-3s break down very quickly when exposed to oxygen in your body, and you need large amounts of vitamin E to prevent omega-3s from turning rancid. Recent research shows that the omega-3 alpha linoleic acids in seeds, nuts, beans and whole grain may be as necessary as the omega-3s in fish oils to prevent heart attacks.
http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/1708.h...
As for omega-6s are from vegetable oils from the seeds of corn, sunflower, safflower, cotton and soybeans. They are the ones that tend to clog arteries.
http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/1708.h...
Refined carbs and carbs are two different things.
Vegetarians are very diverse in their eating habits. I don't think you can lump them all into one category. There are some that are well to do and some that aren't and live on grains and beans and fruits and veggies. There are others who live on restaurant foods or frozen or processed veggie foods. There are ones like me (which I am not a total veg) that like to live on coke, Mike Sells potato chips, candy and junk food more than proper foods.
You throw out a lot of so-called "facts" with no references. Why are you so concerned about other people's eating preferences, unless your business is meat production/farming, etc? Are you with this so-called Weston-Price group of people who try to get people to eat meat by throwing out "facts" from outer space?? It sounds like you have some sort of agenda.
You have a right to eat what you want to eat, but so do vegetarians. I don't know where you got the idea that vegetarians have more heart attacks, but specifically on that, I feel sure that you are wrong.
I could give you a lot of veg facts, but I am sure that you don't want to listen about drug and pesticides and other poisons(antibiotics and supergerms created, etc) carryover from cows and pigs into their meat and milk...milk tainted by cows treated with rbGH but not tested for or marked as possibly having rbBH (bovine growth hormone, Prosilac ) in it, manufactured by Monsanto to boost milk production, but can wind up in milk, leading to increased breast cancer and possibly other cancers.
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html
Bovine TB and other germs that SURVIVE pasteurization of milk and can cause bodily TB in humans.
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/bi... (pasteurization does not kill typhoid, coli bacillus, and tuberculosis are not killed by the temperatures used, and there have been a good number of salmonella epidemics traced to pasteurized milk…and the temps used destroy any antibacterial properties of milk)
Here are some interesting quotes taken from the very link you cited in this post. Maybe this is why vegetarians don't tell you that soy is a recognized cause of cancer.
The relationship between soyfood intake and risk of cancer in humans is unclear…
The major constituent of soy isoflavones, genistein, was shown to have anticarcinogenic properties at high concentrations
Soy was shown to inhibit growth of colon cancer cells (20) and the development of chemically induced colon cancer in rats (21)
…a possible effect of dietary soy on bladder cancer risk warrants further study
Available epidemiological data indicate that dietary soy has no effect on colon cancer risk
I am vegan, and I probably eat less soy then the average meat eater eats meat.
Rant away...but I know, I feel better without that pesticide, antibiotic, hormone flesh to clog me up...I am not supporting a very nasty industry build on suffering.
You're link is of one study, surely you're bright enough to understand that one study really means zip, who knows who funded those tests.
Have you ever been vegetarian? Vegan? Have you ever felt what it was like not eating meat, how good it feels...how much energy you have? Seriously? I know I am healthier, I know because my body tells me.
Look, if you don't want to be a veggie then don't. But don't pick on veggie's for god sake. Pick on someone that deserves critisism, like the Taliban or something. Gees, must have taken you ages to type all that jargon out.
I'm sorry you're so angry about this, but it is not a huge vegetarian conspiracy to make anyone eat Garden Burgers and thus inflict them with cancer when they're in their sixties.
The study you cite says numerous times that the data is inconclusive, and "We caution that our novel finding of a positive association between soy and bladder cancer risk is based on a relatively short period of follow-up and a modest number of cancer cases."
It would seem to me that the jury is still out.
And as someone who lives on mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts- I rarely consume soy.
Soy is the main livestock feed for cows raised in the US. It takes eleven pounds of grain and soybeans to produce one pound of beef, so someone who consumes beef raised in the United States is also consuming huge amounts of the isoflavones found in soybeans.
It appears to me that you need to brush up on your statistics. The very first thing they teach you to is to not confuse correlation with causation. This is a cardinal error and one of the most common. So, saying "soy is a recognized cause of cancer" is an exaggeration at best and a lie at worst.
I read the article and it is indeed disturbing. My intake of soyfoods has never been particularly high, but the consumption of soy is not limited to vegetarians. This study was done in Singapore. Not many vegetarians there.
While your question does make some valid points, you only do yourself a disservice by sensationalizing it and distorting the truth. Yes, raw legumes can be toxic (especially kidney beans and soybeans). Raw foodists aside, no one eats raw legumes. That's why we cook them. It's called adapting to your environment.
Humans are tropical animals. Cold climates are unnatural and lethal to us. But we have adapted through the use of clothing, shelter and fire (all unnatural when compared to wild animals). Going by your logic (i.e. raw legumes are toxic), I conclude that you are advocating a raw food diet. Not only that, you are advocating that we live like wild animals. I find both questionable. Why don't you set us an example by setting up camp in the Everglades, and in the buff? That's as natural as you can be.
As for your last statement, I would like to see a source for the assertion that India leads the world in coronary heart disease. Vegetarians in India DO consume saturated fat in dairy products. They also have twice the per capita number of smokers as the United States. I'm sure you are aware of the correlation between smoking and CHD.
well right now im on a diest eating fruit and veg aswell as complex proteins to help lose weight...i do miss meat but i have found that i have more energy although i do get alot of bloating but thats mainly down to the shakes...no matter who argues what, some1 will always be able to find sumthing that disproves it.
hey dont be pickin on vegans and veggs. eating meat causes plenty of health issues thank you
Who is prone to cancer and other diseases, and who is likely to live longer than others...this is all individual and hereditary. I don't think blaming vegetarianism has anything to do with the things you listed. There have been just as many studies that show the correlation between meat-eating and diseases and health problems. Shocking to believe, but many scientific studies are funded by certain companies who want to promote their product or agenda (remember how they said eggs were bad for you, and now they say they're healthy? That was thanks to the egg companies).
Because then they'd look like idiots and they're just too cool for that.
Wow, If I didn't know any of that, I expect veggies wouldn't either, perhaps they have a death wish?
Well, unfortunately, some of us aren't really educated about this at all. THank you for offering to share this information with us however. I'm sure that VEGETARIANS are willing to risk all of this to save some animals, but personally I never did like too much soy. It's a bit yucky.
they're wack... all there is to it
these are all interesting factors! great argument you have here!
iv never been a vegetarian and would never consider it, i love animals but i also believe we were meant to eat meat.
every vegetarian i know is obese which leads me to believe that they fill up on empty calories.
i agree with the longer health and social economic status, the majority of vegetarians also abstain from alcohol and tend to choose a more stress free way of living, but this is the stereotypical veggie who also wears hippy clothes and attends Greenpeace conventions.
i cant wait to read some of the hate mail your going to get though they can be quite feisty those animal protesters! lol