Why do vegetarians/vegans eat a diet which is unnatural to the human body?!
even the most crude farming didn't take place until AFTER the last ice age, about 8000 BC. even then it was only in random and sporadic places in the world.
so if humans evolved from a plant AND meat diet, why indtroduce a diet to the human body which is indisputably unnatural? why do vegans/vegetarians think they know more than mother nature?
as further evidence, most will take multi-vitamins and/or protein shakes to get their needed nutrients..........last time i checked, mother nature didn't have a protein shake tree and is therefore not natural
Answers: unless you're uneducated or ignorant, you would know that homo-sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years, and survived as hunter/gatherers.
even the most crude farming didn't take place until AFTER the last ice age, about 8000 BC. even then it was only in random and sporadic places in the world.
so if humans evolved from a plant AND meat diet, why indtroduce a diet to the human body which is indisputably unnatural? why do vegans/vegetarians think they know more than mother nature?
as further evidence, most will take multi-vitamins and/or protein shakes to get their needed nutrients..........last time i checked, mother nature didn't have a protein shake tree and is therefore not natural
Whats unnatural about eating organic veggies and no animal by products? Who said we knew more than mother nature?? Don't let a couple of strong vegan people , that you possibly met....taint your view on being a vegan or vegetarian.
Normally when we vegans and vegetarians take a supplement I can almost guarantee it will be a vegan or veggie formula. Most supplements that are taken are usually from herbs, roots and things that are natural.
As far as a protein shake they are made of soy and vitamins. That's not the only way to get protein either bc your diet shouldn't have a ton of protein. Too much protein could cause kidney disease, even osteoporosis. 'The protein shake tree' , hahaha that was good!
Furthermore, I do not judge my friends or you for eating meat. Do whatever is right for your body.
I think you're ignorant. Why judge how other people live? A Vegetarian diet can be very good for you. Do you know how long it takes your body to digest a steak? About a week. So it rots in your stomach while digesting. How appetizing is that?
Just to add for *Bite Me (no offense) I would rather have veggies and grains sitting in my stomach longer than meat. Thats just me though.
do you like to eat something that was once a live and was
put in soooo much PAIN and SUFFERING just so you could have a burger??
if so your an idiot
and your not veg so why do you care?????
A lot of vegetarians or vegans eat that way to help the environment. The raising of animals for their meat, especially cows, pigs, and sheep, consumes a lot more land than is needed to grow plant crops. Cows in particular produce methane (a greenhouse gas) in their manure. And if the animals are not raised on an organic diet, there is concern about the antibiotics and hormones they consume tainting local water supplies, as well as affecting humans who consume the meat from these animals.
Humans are omnivores, we can eat damn near anything.
The choice to be a veg*n (vegetarian and/or vegan) is not unnatural... a little unusual... but not unnatural.
"as further evidence, most will take multi-vitamins and/or protein shakes to get their needed nutrients..........last time i checked, mother nature didn't have a protein shake tree and is therefore not natural"
This is the part that sets of my "12 year old's rant" alarm. I will make the astounding assumption that you have not, and never will meet "most" veg*ns. You don't know their habits, what vitamins they take, etc., etc., etc. so please don't be so quick to judge. I've eaten well over 4 times the RDA for protein without a single protein shake, and multivitamins do not work as well as what they are trying to replicate... the nutrients of plants.
Any diet can be healthy, and any diet can be unhealthy... deal with it.
Here we freaking go again.
Mother Nature also didn't mean for us to breed animals in mass amounts; cut their tails (without anesthesia); brand them (also without anesthesia); cram them in ever-smaller spaces; fatten them up with hormones and steroids; shovel antibiotics at them to prevent the diseases that occur when too many beings are crammed in too small a space; truck them over long distances; and slaughter them in giant abbatoirs either. She didn't mean for us to cram millions of birds in cages the size of file drawers so each bird only gets the space of a sheet of typing paper. She didn't mean for cows to be impregnated year after year and have their babies taken away. For that matter, she didn't mean for humans to be drinking the milk of another creature and certainly not our whole lives.
And plenty of omnivores take supplements, too.
Surprisingly enough, we dont think we know more than mother nautre (:
Most vegetarians/vegans dont eat meat etc. because they see it as cruel and that everything should have a fair go in life . Animals have a right to life dont they ?
Its a known fact that the majority of vegetarians/vegans are healthier than people who eat meat .
Most vegetarians/vegans dont eat meat just because they dont find it fair that animals lifes are being taken away . thinking they should have a fair go in life .
I dont mind you saying your views on this topic and all.. but theres no need to be so arrogant about it .
People can rspect other peoples religions and beliefs most of the time.. so why cant people respect the vegetarians/vegans belief in not eating animals .
Anyways.. who the hell wants to be normal and go with the flow of the past .
[you got PWNT by all these people writing in!]
Bob, you are sounding a bit like an uninformed person here.
The vast majority of vegetarians do not take supplements or protein shakes. I think you just guessed that "evidence"
Take a look at the supermarkets shelves. They have virtually a whole aisle full of vitamin supplements.
Who takes those ?
Certainly not veggies, most are coated in gelatin, and we make up 3% of the population so the super market would hardly stock all those for us, would they ?
Its also a tad daft to talk about a meat diet as if its natural. Whats natural about the current meat industry ? You can't have it both ways - claim its natural and them prop up an enourmous meat industry. Thats hardly natural, is it ?
If you foraiged around the forests, or killed and ate you own meat raw, then i'd go with your "its natural" arguement. But you have to apply an unnatural process ( i.e. cooking ) to meat, how can you possible claim its natural. What other animal "cooks" its meat ?
I don't eat meat because i will not support the industry you support. You guessing that you know why I'm a veggie is a bit presumptious to say the least.
I don't pretend to know more than mother nature, but it seems i know more than you. And thats why i'll continue on my healthy vegetarian diet, regardless of your ill-informed rant.
"mother nature" also designed me and my sister to father and birth children at 12 years old. Are you telling me thats ok too ?
Or are you being selective about whats natural or not ?
What is natural about this?
1) However well treated animals are when being reared they still only live a very small part of their lives before facing being killed.
2) As they queue to die, they often see the other members further up the queue having their throats cut, and sometimes in accordance with many religious practices they dangle upside-down bleeding to death.
3) Cattle (as used by McDonalds) grazing in South America are largely responsible for destroying the rain forest of the Amazon. Areas once grazed soon become useless, and so more and more trees are cleared.
4) To feed animals food needs to be produced, if we were to eat less animals, less food would be needed - so less space would be taken by growing food / keeping animals.
5) Animals carry diseases, viruses, and cancers - its now fairly well published that we can catch these from them. Vegetarians and vegans seem not to suffer food poisoning
6) Meat contains lots of saturated fat, poisonous chemicals, and harmful drugs.
7) Butchers smell because of rotting flesh, congealing blood and animal waste.
8) Transporting live animals for 100’s of miles in cramped and unsanitary conditions, causes many of the passengers to die.
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The same reason there are no steam powered laptops.
Canivores/Omnivores: Sweat through their tongues
Herbivores: Sweat through pores
Humans: Sweat through pores
Carnivores/Omnivores: Short Intestines so meat can go in the mouth and out the other end quickly
Herbivores: Long Intestines so vegetables can be digested slowly, while meat particles will build up and rot inside large intestines.
Humans: Long intestines.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Sharp teeth for tearing meat. No flat molars for grinding.
Herbivores: Flat molars for grinding vegetables.
Humans: Flat molars for grinding vegetables.
(and of course, many will say: WELL EXPLAIN OUR CANINE TEETH! Our Canine teeth are miniscule, and blunt in comparison to the sharp teeth of real meat eaters.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Stomach acidity is incredibly strong.
Herbivores: 20x weaker than carnivores.
Humans: 20x weaker than carnivores.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Saliva is acidic.
Herbivores: Saliva is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods.
Humans: saliva is alkaline.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Shape of intestines are smooth so meat can pass through quickly.
Herbivores: Shape of intestines are bumpy and have pockets so plants can pass through slowly for nutrition absorption.
Humans: Shape of intestines are bumpy and have pockets.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Fiber is not needed, to move meat through intestines.
Herbivores: Need fiber to push food through intestines.
Humans: Need fiber to push food through intestines.
Carnivores/Omnivores: High-Cholesterol diets do not impact health, and is not a problem.
Herbivores: Cholesterol is not needed.
Humans: Cholesterol is not needed.
Carnivores/Omnivores: Have sharp claws.
Herbivores: No sharp claws.
Humans: No sharp claws.
So what's so unnatural about being vegetarian and vegan again?
Vegetarians havent got an un-healthy diet. Theyre fine. They dont want to eat something thats dead.
i don't do it because i think that is what is "natural".....i do it because i think it's more humane. thousands of years ago if an animal was killed it was killed in the wild and all parts of the animal were used. we now keep them in captivity where they are treated horribly and kill them for the use of a few spare parts. keep in mind that there are many different reasons why people choose this type of diet and not all of them are arguable...some are simply moral opinion.
so I take it you have never taken medication when you are sick. You clearly still live as though it was 8000 years ago. How do you power your computer? Do you rub sticks together fast enough to get broadband?
If you are not vegan you are eating foods from farming practices which have only been around since the 1950's. Even if all the meat you eat is organically produced, the minute you eat a product off the shelf which has slaughterhouse by-products in it you are consuming materials sourced from animals which suffered confinement, overcrowding and unnatural development through the use of hormones and excessive antibiotic administration. Coincidentally since the introduction of these new practices, digestive cancers have increased steadily and other diet related illnesses have increased rapidly in the last few decades. None of these problems are associated with vegetarian diets or veganism.
Anyway, let me know which character in 10000BC is based on you. I would like to see how healthy you look in this portrayal being that you are a hunter gatherer.
PS to *BiteMe*: amylase is the enzyme which digests starch it has nothing to do with protein or meat (http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary...
I don't know one single veg*n who relies on protein shakes. Unless you're uneducated or ignorant, you would know that protein is widely available on a veg*n diet and that most meat-eaters get 2-4x the protein they need, often to the detriment of their health.
Our ancestors did a lot of things we no longer do. Just because there is a precedent, it doesn't make it natural or right. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors did not have access to the bounty that we have now. I have the ability to thrive on (and enjoy) a plant-based diet. Since I can, I choose to. The way we raise animals for food today bears no resemblance whatsoever to your beloved meat-eating ancestors. Do you honestly think that pumping cattle full of hormones, steroids and antibiotics and feeding them grain and chicken feces is natural?!? Last time I checked, mother nature didn't have bovine growth hormone trees and it's therefore not natural.
Eat what you want. I don't care. But leave those of us who have made a healthy, compassionate and environmentally conscious decision alone.
Since upwards to 68% of the populations takes some form of supplementation it seems obvious to me that the majority of those taking the supplements are omnivores not veg'ns since they only make up 3% of the population. Maybe the ill effects of eating a meat based diet has influenced their need to take supplementation to ward off illnesses like colon cancer and heart disease. Unfortunately there is no pill for those lacking compassion or knowledge, only sincere searching and a caring heart.
"According to researchers at the Office of Dietary Supplements at the National Institutes of Health, the use of dietary supplements (in the U.S.) has been estimated to range from 40% to 68%." (1)
"According to the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1988-94, (NHANES III), "Approximately 40% of the U.S. population 2 months of age and older reported taking some type of dietary supplement in NHANES III, and the leading supplements taken were multivitamin / multiminerals (22%), multivitamins plus vitamin C (15%), vitamin C as a single vitamin (13), other dietary supplements such as herbal and botanical supplements (7%), and vitamin E as a single vitamin (6%)." (2)
(1) Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol.20, No. 1, 21-25, 2001
(2) Advance Data: From vital and Health Statistics, No. 349, Nov. 9, 2004
Not True.
a 100milligrams(about 1/4 lb) Of Leafy Greens like Romaine has THE PERFECT BALANCE of Protien/Fat/Carbs that a body needs. MORE than a 8oz.Sirlon Steak
Just becasue we can eat something does not mean we should. Yes, we can live of animal flesh & animals by products but our bodies THRIVE on a plant based diet. Close to natural as possible.
I do not believe our bodies were made to eat animal flesh. The Garden of Eden didn't have a BBQ pit. Most major diseases come from a too acid body. Animal flesh is the biggest contributor to that inbalance.
Slainté (to your health)
so foraging for nuts and berries is your recommendation? perhaps we could eat some ants by poking a stick in an anthill?
do meat eaters not take vitamins and/or protein shakes? I wonder which segment is more likely to take vitamins and protein shakes? most of the veggies i know dont take anything.
Many of us eat the way we do in protest of modern farming practices. What I spend my money on is what I support, and I'll be damned if I'm going to condone pumping sentient beings full of medically unnecessary hormones, antibiotics and pesticides (not to mention all the other ugly things that go on).
"unless you're uneducated or ignorant, you would know that homo-sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years, and survived as hunter/gatherers."
The key word here: SURVIVED.
We dont need to kill for survival, because at present we have everything we need, and we are leading a perfectly healthy lifestyle without meat.
Also, something id like to point out is that homosapiens teeth were very much like ours today - blunt and rounded. All other meat eating mammals have sharp teeth, or special teeth to aid them in the digestion of meat in the mouth. We manage of course, but why arent our teeth sharp?
were factory farms where animals are torture around back in these times your mentioning???
no? well that's the difference. and it's not unnatural. we're omnis- we have the capacity to eat both. we don't have to eat both.
people have a choice on what they want to eat, period! if one wants to be vegan so what if one wants to eat meat, so what , if one wants to eat both so what. And there are some out there that vegetables make them sick and some out there that meat makes them sick. No argument from me on what people want or like to eat.