Who can provide information on creation - evolution in regards to vegan diet?!
Answers: If evolution (as textbooks suggest) was true, the human brain evolved because of excess meat consumption. Now the Bible says grains, fruits, seeds and vegetable shall be our meat and only after the flood animal meat consumption was ok (I guess for scarce plants until after they seeded and grew again). In a matter of fact, vegans live longer and healthier, don't harm the environment and live in peace with animals. I need scientific studies explaning the issue of evolution and meat vs. creation and veg. please
Consider this evidence
Fingerprints of Creation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
Mysteries In Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zTXxpXOo...
The Young Age of the Earth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
The Origin of Man by Dr. Duane Gish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FZDysZK...
The Origins of Life
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...
Evolution: Challenge of the Fossil Record - Part 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NkO6fQvy...
Skull Fossils - As Empty as the Evolutionary Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yu5jN897...
Neanderthals - Smarter Then We Thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxL636n3w...
Dinosaurs: Those Terrible Lizards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVvGByvp1...
Atheist's NightMare: Evolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqoCGPnV...
You seem to be really open minded, which is good. Anyway, I will try my best to answer your question. In the bible, veganism is reflected through the story of Adam & Eve. They ate a plant based diet.From a scientific viewpoint, our bodies are adapted to a vegetarian/vegan diet. It is possible for humans to be vegan, meaning that the whole ''humans must eat meat'' thing is irrelevant and untrue. Maybe you could google the issue. Good luck.
scottie
{edit} meat has NO antioxidants. Fruits are high in antioxidants, such as vitamin c and beta carotene.
However, the nutrients in meat are NOT antioxidants.
Hi Schnatzel,
Although I'm an evolutionist not a creationist, and I don't necessarily believe in the traditional christian stories of Adam & Eve & the great flood. If religion is your motivation for being vegan, that is great too.
Meat probably did play an important role in human evolution. However since we are now intelligent and concious enough to understand the consequences of our actions, we can now choose a more ethical option. We are no longer driven by instinct and there are many ethical alternatives to killing for food. It is no longer necessary for survival.
Evolution theories have been used in support and against vegetaraianism (ie. the debate over jaw and teeth developement). I think we don't need to continually look to the past to justify our present decesions. We make a choice that effects the present and the future. We should look forward and move towards a more peacefull and sustainable way of life.
Peace )O(
Creation, evolution.... You seem to forget about survival. Man survived on the skins and jerky of animals; without using animals, man would NOT have survived.
We have the teeth of both carnivorous and plant eating animals, hence we are omnivores. We're meant to eat a balanced diet of both meat and plant material.
Vegetarianism and Veganism are life choices not an evolutionary progression.
Meat is definitely not the only cause of large brains in humans, and is not even the main cause. Did you know that Neanderthals were vegan and they had larger brains than humans?
Consuming meat has never been linked to intelligence. Carnivores are the Order with more meat eaters than any other mammal group yet they have small brains. The Social Brain Hypothesis suggests that it was the challenges of living in large groups which drove large brains in the Human line. A recent study by Shultz and Dunbar shows that species which form breeding pairs have larger average brain sizes than those from the same taxonomic groups which do not form stable pairs. Further they found that this extends in primates to group size (1).
H.sapiens and H.neanderthalensis coexisted in Europe for some 12 000 years. Artifacts from the period show that H.sapiens had better and more advanced tools, and after some time Neanderthal tools also improved (probably copied the humans... see 2). However since the common ancestor H.erectus was probably a hunter, H.sapiens lacked the physiology for successfully catching animals and thus had to rely on tools. The smarter individuals came up with better tools, and were able to catch more animals (or harvest plants better) and hence their DNA was more likely to be passed on than those in groups who'se tools did not improve. So while it was the hunting behaviour that drove the tool modification, it was this ingenuity which drove evolution rather than the consumption of meat.
I'm not a creationist, and in essence there are thousands of religious creationist theories depending on the religion, I am assuming you mean Christian, but even between Christian religious divisions there are differences as to how it all came about. I personally don't even *go* there.
Man is an omnivore, but that means we can be healthy and still eat a plant-based diet. Part of the reason that it's much easier to live off an entirely plant-based diet now is because there is such an intricate network created by globalization where in the middle of winter in Chicago I can go to a store and buy fresh, succulent peaches and blueberries.
Way back when, man was typically migrant, but the cradle of civilization in the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East was where man first settled down and began farming (if I remember, this was 10,000 years ago or more).
Because of man's migrant nature, they ate what they found and hunted along the way. There were times when they relied on meat to make it through, there were times when the growing season was probably plentiful and they could have lots of plants as well.
And yes, the period of time where man started to hunt and eat meat involved massive brain growth, but it could also be largely because they had to learn to make tools, think and plan critically, etc. After all we have no claws, no razor-sharp teeth, and our bodies are essentially not as fast or strong as many land mammals. So we had to use intellect, strategy and tools to make it happen.
Remember that people back then lived very short, disease-ridden lives anyway. While it's unfair to compare the lifespan of a vegan in a modern society (where immunizations, health standards and disease prevention are prevalant) to a more primitive version of man, it is still fair to say that the diet of primitive man wasn't as healthy as ours. Odds are that they ate mostly for survival and didn't think about blood pressure or cholesterol, but at the same time I don't think obesity was ever a real problem back then because of the active lifestyle they lead. So it's a mixed basket of information to look at.
Nowadays there are very few areas in the world (mostly third world countries or very cold-climate countries) where people still don't have access to or cannot afford an entirely plant based diet.
But in the Western world, I think that if someone has the option and can afford to eat a plant-based diet, I just don't see why they shouldn't. It is perfectly possible to live a long, healthy life on an entirely plant based diet. Our over-dependence on meat as a source of protein leads to plenty of problems. While thousands of years ago primitive man would die before they see the age of 40, nowadays people live to 70 or 80 or beyond - and we can see the extended effects of our diets on our health.
Back then, people probably died of predatory attacks, accidents or illnesses first - nowadays we're dying primarily of complications because of obesity, heart disease, cancer, strokes (and yes, accidents still happen, in particular in vehicles).
So since we are living longer, and because in such a globalized society, what we eat has massive impact on the environment and on our health too. While ten thousand years ago eating meat might have been the only way to make it through the winter, nowadays it's hardly a need or necessity. People can now live their entire lives without having to have any sentient being die to fill them.
Is veganism/vegetarianism an evolutionary progression? I don't think so, for now it remains a personal choice.
Actually I am going to go the other way completely and offer that evolution came from eating vegetables.
A study in Nature Genetics claims that root starches (like potatoes, onions, and carrots), not meat, gave our bodies the energy and brain capacity we needed to evolve into modern humans. Here are some links that explain this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/magazi...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/698333...
http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/o...