Question to Animal Activist/PETA?!
Because of Animals, we were able to test and develop critical medicines with the help of Rats!. If you're against that, what should we use to test these products!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
Answers:
If there are ways to test and develop such things reliably without using animals, I'm all for it!.
But, I would rather risk the life of an animal than that of a human any day!.
I hate the thought of rats being used to test such things as we have pet rats and love them!. But I can certainly understand this practice as long as it is done as humanely as possible!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
But, I would rather risk the life of an animal than that of a human any day!.
I hate the thought of rats being used to test such things as we have pet rats and love them!. But I can certainly understand this practice as long as it is done as humanely as possible!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
How about testing them on criminals that get the death penalty!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
Rapist and murderers!.
They should be used for scientific experiments!.
We may also get a critical medicine for curing the criminally insane( using these people) which we wouldn't get from animals!.
also, many results that work on animals don't work on humans!.
Use the real deal!.
Most of them would probably be willing to do it because of what they did!. Giving back( so to speak)!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
They should be used for scientific experiments!.
We may also get a critical medicine for curing the criminally insane( using these people) which we wouldn't get from animals!.
also, many results that work on animals don't work on humans!.
Use the real deal!.
Most of them would probably be willing to do it because of what they did!. Giving back( so to speak)!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
There is plenty of ways to "Test" new drugs etc without using Animals!.
I myself as a Diabetic are using "Test" drugs not used on Animals, as a test subject I record what I feel and have a medical every week AND GET PAID FOR IT!!!!.
By using it first hand a subject that has the illness they can see the reactions better than they would see on a rat!.
Animals feel too and its cruel to hurt them for personal health and greed!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I myself as a Diabetic are using "Test" drugs not used on Animals, as a test subject I record what I feel and have a medical every week AND GET PAID FOR IT!!!!.
By using it first hand a subject that has the illness they can see the reactions better than they would see on a rat!.
Animals feel too and its cruel to hurt them for personal health and greed!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I'm only going to speak for myself, not an organization!. But in my opinion, your example is from the farthest end of the spectrum and it cannot be applied across the entire spectrum!. I am an animal activist!. I believe animals have rights and abuse of animals should be a capital offense!. However, I understand that sometimes animals are used to test medicines!. What I do not understand is people believing that animals can be used to test anything indiscriminately!. The rabbits whose eyes were taped open and hair spray repeatedly shot into their eyes is one example!. Rats are useful for testing!. They contract many of the same diseases that humans do!. But, it must be considered use!. Using ANY animal without using other alternatives first is abominable!. Humans actually get used to treat experimental medicines all the time!. The same care that is taken with humans should be taken with animals!.!.!.!.is this necessary!? Does it gain significant knowledge!? And the use of any animal or human should be as limited and their discomfort avoided as much as possible!.
EDIT: Research ethics is a complex field!. During WWII Nazis performed medical research on humans!. One was to take women at various stages of pregnancy, strap them to a table, and fill their uterus with plaster of paris!. This caused the woman an extraordinarily painful death, as well as the death of her unborn child!. It also provided quite a bit of good data on embryo development!. Was it justified because it yielded this data!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
EDIT: Research ethics is a complex field!. During WWII Nazis performed medical research on humans!. One was to take women at various stages of pregnancy, strap them to a table, and fill their uterus with plaster of paris!. This caused the woman an extraordinarily painful death, as well as the death of her unborn child!. It also provided quite a bit of good data on embryo development!. Was it justified because it yielded this data!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
Currently, there is plenty of data available to extrapolate possible harm done by such useless things as cosmetics, which comprise the bulk of animal testing !.
As for medical tests, I still maintain that those who cannot speak for themselves must not be used (that means the lab animals, for those of you in RioLinda)!.
If you must test, then use condemned prisoners and illegal aliens!.
Ya!.!.I know that sounds like WW2 Germany!.
So what!? IDC!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
As for medical tests, I still maintain that those who cannot speak for themselves must not be used (that means the lab animals, for those of you in RioLinda)!.
If you must test, then use condemned prisoners and illegal aliens!.
Ya!.!.I know that sounds like WW2 Germany!.
So what!? IDC!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
That's a good question!. Testing methods such as human clinical studies, human epidemiological studies, studies on cadavers, and computer simulations are more reliable, less expensive, and more humane than animal tests!. New technologies, such as mathematical modeling, in vitro research, and diagnostic imaging are exciting developments!.
Scientists have used human brain cells to develop a model “microbrain” that can be used to study tumors and have also come up with artificial skin and bone marrow!. TOPKAT is a sophisticated software package that allows researchers to predict the degree of skin and eye irritation and the oral toxicity of chemicals!. It's currently being used by the Environmental Protection Agency, the FDA, the U!.S!. Army, 3M Corporation, and Philip Morris!.
Animal testing is not just incredible cruel; it's bad science!. The physiological differences between humans and other animals prevent the results of animal tests from being accurately applied to humans!. Some drugs that have been approved through animal tests can cause serious and unexpected side effects for humans!. There is also the question of how many medicines that could have helped humans are disregarded because they failed to work in animals!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Scientists have used human brain cells to develop a model “microbrain” that can be used to study tumors and have also come up with artificial skin and bone marrow!. TOPKAT is a sophisticated software package that allows researchers to predict the degree of skin and eye irritation and the oral toxicity of chemicals!. It's currently being used by the Environmental Protection Agency, the FDA, the U!.S!. Army, 3M Corporation, and Philip Morris!.
Animal testing is not just incredible cruel; it's bad science!. The physiological differences between humans and other animals prevent the results of animal tests from being accurately applied to humans!. Some drugs that have been approved through animal tests can cause serious and unexpected side effects for humans!. There is also the question of how many medicines that could have helped humans are disregarded because they failed to work in animals!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
From http://www!.drhadwentrust!.org!.uk
What are the alternatives to animal experiments!?
Alternative research methods
At the start of the 21st Century, non-animal techniques have become the cutting edge of medical research!. Animal experiments are being replaced by a range of alternative methods that frequently prove cheaper, quicker and more effective – as well as saving lives!.
Cell culture
It is possible to obtain human cells and tissues from biopsies, post-mortems, placentas, or as waste from surgery, and grow them in the laboratory!. Cell cultures are used in many medical fields, and have contributed enormously to our understanding of the underlying mechanisms of cancer, Parkinson’s disease, and AIDS!. Cell cultures are routinely used in vaccine production, toxicity testing, drug development and to diagnose disease!.
It is important that human cells, rather than animal cells, are used for medical research, to avoid the problem of relating results from one species to another!. To encourage the use of human tissue the Dr Hadwen Trust has helped establish the UK Human Tissue Bank at Leicester!. The Trust has funded research using human cells and tissues to replace animal experiments, into Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, rheumatism, cataracts, allergies, meningitis, and more!.
Analytical technology
Technological advances are resulting in improved molecular methods for analysing and identifying new compounds and medicines!. The Trust provided analytical equipment to researchers selecting new anti-cancer and anti-malaria drugs, based on their molecular interaction with DNA, as an alternative to selecting drugs by animal tests!.
New methods of rapidly analysing DNA samples from humans have been developed and are now being used to understand the biochemistry and genetics underlying various illnesses, leading to better treatments!. For example, the Trust has funded research into genes that predispose individuals to fibrosing lung disease, as an alternative to modelling the illness in animals such as genetically modified mice!.
The latest laser technology (MALD-TOF-MS) combined with genetic analysis has been applied by a Trust researcher to identify infectious microbes without animal tests, as a humane alternative to old tests that relied on rabbits and guinea pigs!.
Microorganisms
Tests with simple microorganisms, such as bacteria, fungi, yeasts and algae are being used as early indicators of chemicals likely to be harmful, and are frequently faster, cheaper and more humane than animal tests!. Bacteria can be genetically manipulated to manufacture useful products previously obtained from animals, such as human insulin and monoclonal antibodies!.
Computer models
Computers are increasingly being used to model the structure and actions of new drugs, and to predict their safety!. Computer models of whole biological systems are now being developed with which ‘virtual’ experiments can be conducted, as alternatives to experiments on animals!.
The Trust has helped develop various computer models, including a model of the human placenta and foetus which assisted the treatment of problems affecting unborn babies; and a model of the human jaw and teeth for dental research!. These models are based on relevant human data and can be used to carry our simulated experiments, in place of experiments on animals!. We have also supported work using mathematical modelling to improve cancer treatments, and to explore illnesses of ageing!.
Population research
Studying diseases in human populations, and the effects of lifestyle, diet and occupation has already revealed a great deal about cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, and birth defects!. Such information is vital to improving human health and providing clues to the causes of illnesses!. The Trust funded part of a large population study into how foetal and infant growth influences the development of heart disease in later life, as an alternative to experiments on pregnant animals!.
Volunteer studies
One of the best ways to conduct medical research is by studying the whole human being!. New scanning and imaging techniques are making it increasingly possible to conduct safe and ethical studies of human volunteers, where previously animals had been used!. Trust projects have made use of a variety of sophisticated imaging techniques to non-invasively investigate the intact human body!. These include using a MEG scanner to study epileptic patients; investigating pain in patients with functional MRI; and developing a novel technique, TMS, to study the function of the human brain in healthy volunteers!.
from http://www!.curedisease!.net
There is alarming evidence that animal tests fail to protect us:
Six young men at Northwick Park hospital were nearly killed by a drug which they were given because it had been ‘proved safe’ in monkeys
Arthritis drug Vioxx – the greatest drug catastrophe in history – killed up to 140,000 people after being ‘proved safe’ in animals, including monkeys
92% of new drugs successful in animal studies go on to fail in clinical trials, as at Northwick Park – sometimes injuring or killing volunteers and patients
Extensive studies of animal tests’ ability to predict drugs’ and chemicals’ potential to cause cancer and birth defects have found them to be ineffective
Scientists are increasingly lamenting the failings of animal studies!. Cancer Research UK acknowledges: ‘We do trials in people because animal models do not predict what will happen in humans’!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
What are the alternatives to animal experiments!?
Alternative research methods
At the start of the 21st Century, non-animal techniques have become the cutting edge of medical research!. Animal experiments are being replaced by a range of alternative methods that frequently prove cheaper, quicker and more effective – as well as saving lives!.
Cell culture
It is possible to obtain human cells and tissues from biopsies, post-mortems, placentas, or as waste from surgery, and grow them in the laboratory!. Cell cultures are used in many medical fields, and have contributed enormously to our understanding of the underlying mechanisms of cancer, Parkinson’s disease, and AIDS!. Cell cultures are routinely used in vaccine production, toxicity testing, drug development and to diagnose disease!.
It is important that human cells, rather than animal cells, are used for medical research, to avoid the problem of relating results from one species to another!. To encourage the use of human tissue the Dr Hadwen Trust has helped establish the UK Human Tissue Bank at Leicester!. The Trust has funded research using human cells and tissues to replace animal experiments, into Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, rheumatism, cataracts, allergies, meningitis, and more!.
Analytical technology
Technological advances are resulting in improved molecular methods for analysing and identifying new compounds and medicines!. The Trust provided analytical equipment to researchers selecting new anti-cancer and anti-malaria drugs, based on their molecular interaction with DNA, as an alternative to selecting drugs by animal tests!.
New methods of rapidly analysing DNA samples from humans have been developed and are now being used to understand the biochemistry and genetics underlying various illnesses, leading to better treatments!. For example, the Trust has funded research into genes that predispose individuals to fibrosing lung disease, as an alternative to modelling the illness in animals such as genetically modified mice!.
The latest laser technology (MALD-TOF-MS) combined with genetic analysis has been applied by a Trust researcher to identify infectious microbes without animal tests, as a humane alternative to old tests that relied on rabbits and guinea pigs!.
Microorganisms
Tests with simple microorganisms, such as bacteria, fungi, yeasts and algae are being used as early indicators of chemicals likely to be harmful, and are frequently faster, cheaper and more humane than animal tests!. Bacteria can be genetically manipulated to manufacture useful products previously obtained from animals, such as human insulin and monoclonal antibodies!.
Computer models
Computers are increasingly being used to model the structure and actions of new drugs, and to predict their safety!. Computer models of whole biological systems are now being developed with which ‘virtual’ experiments can be conducted, as alternatives to experiments on animals!.
The Trust has helped develop various computer models, including a model of the human placenta and foetus which assisted the treatment of problems affecting unborn babies; and a model of the human jaw and teeth for dental research!. These models are based on relevant human data and can be used to carry our simulated experiments, in place of experiments on animals!. We have also supported work using mathematical modelling to improve cancer treatments, and to explore illnesses of ageing!.
Population research
Studying diseases in human populations, and the effects of lifestyle, diet and occupation has already revealed a great deal about cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, and birth defects!. Such information is vital to improving human health and providing clues to the causes of illnesses!. The Trust funded part of a large population study into how foetal and infant growth influences the development of heart disease in later life, as an alternative to experiments on pregnant animals!.
Volunteer studies
One of the best ways to conduct medical research is by studying the whole human being!. New scanning and imaging techniques are making it increasingly possible to conduct safe and ethical studies of human volunteers, where previously animals had been used!. Trust projects have made use of a variety of sophisticated imaging techniques to non-invasively investigate the intact human body!. These include using a MEG scanner to study epileptic patients; investigating pain in patients with functional MRI; and developing a novel technique, TMS, to study the function of the human brain in healthy volunteers!.
from http://www!.curedisease!.net
There is alarming evidence that animal tests fail to protect us:
Six young men at Northwick Park hospital were nearly killed by a drug which they were given because it had been ‘proved safe’ in monkeys
Arthritis drug Vioxx – the greatest drug catastrophe in history – killed up to 140,000 people after being ‘proved safe’ in animals, including monkeys
92% of new drugs successful in animal studies go on to fail in clinical trials, as at Northwick Park – sometimes injuring or killing volunteers and patients
Extensive studies of animal tests’ ability to predict drugs’ and chemicals’ potential to cause cancer and birth defects have found them to be ineffective
Scientists are increasingly lamenting the failings of animal studies!. Cancer Research UK acknowledges: ‘We do trials in people because animal models do not predict what will happen in humans’!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
This is one of those no win question and answer things but I will give it a shot!. I am against animal testing-but I realize it may be necessary for NEW products only!. With all the computerization and new technology out there I believe we should only have to resort to live experimentation ONLY when necessary, and then, be as humane as possible during the process!. I have spent hours of my life crying over this one because I know there are certain hospitals that do the same live experiments repeatedly and unnecessarily to get funds!. THAT I am totally and completely against!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I always thought that the so-called alternatives to animal testing were done prior to animal testing!. IRBs are very very strict with animal testing, to avoid cruelty to animals, and if an animal is tested on, they make sure that the study is of use to society, that the number of animals used are statistically necessary, and conditions etc are maintained, with vets checking up on the animals every few days!.
You can glean a lot of information from in-vitro, but an organism is very complex, so invitro is necessary!. If you were part of a phase II clinical trial and had a major side effect that could have been caught by invivo animal studies, I'd be pissed!. Animal studies are done just prior to human studies, where safety is evaluated, then dosing and effectiveness!. In fact, to get through FDA approval, you have to have animal studies (or test on europeans)
That said, the entire world will never be veg, so there will be others who are willing to do these studies!. Yea, hypocritical, but I can deal with that!. I can't fight in a war, but I'd let others do so for me!. Same to me!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
You can glean a lot of information from in-vitro, but an organism is very complex, so invitro is necessary!. If you were part of a phase II clinical trial and had a major side effect that could have been caught by invivo animal studies, I'd be pissed!. Animal studies are done just prior to human studies, where safety is evaluated, then dosing and effectiveness!. In fact, to get through FDA approval, you have to have animal studies (or test on europeans)
That said, the entire world will never be veg, so there will be others who are willing to do these studies!. Yea, hypocritical, but I can deal with that!. I can't fight in a war, but I'd let others do so for me!. Same to me!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Mr!. Potato Head!?!?!?Www@FoodAQ@Com