Veg*ns: Would you consider taking part in Direct Action?!
Pretty self-explanatory!.!.!. If there were animals you could help would you risk prison to save their lives!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
Answers:
Because the government are "in bed" with the pharmaceutical companies and other governments, no amount of peaceful protests will have an impact, although these are good for giving out information and educating people and spreading the word!
Direct Action has come about through frustration and the fact the government just wont listen to reason!
I was once involved in an action that led to a court case, fortunately i was found not guilty but may have been looking at 6 months inside if found guilty!.
The only reason I wouldn't risk it now is because I have my rescue cat to look after and he is my responsibility!.
If I didn't have him, then things may be different, I admire people who sacrifice their freedom for the freedom of others!
They are very unselfish people!
The government and police are now using the terrorist act, (which was not initially brought in for animal rights) and the law of economic sabotage to jail protesters!.
I personally know 3 of the Shac prisoners who have been on remand for nearly a year!Www@FoodAQ@Com
Direct Action has come about through frustration and the fact the government just wont listen to reason!
I was once involved in an action that led to a court case, fortunately i was found not guilty but may have been looking at 6 months inside if found guilty!.
The only reason I wouldn't risk it now is because I have my rescue cat to look after and he is my responsibility!.
If I didn't have him, then things may be different, I admire people who sacrifice their freedom for the freedom of others!
They are very unselfish people!
The government and police are now using the terrorist act, (which was not initially brought in for animal rights) and the law of economic sabotage to jail protesters!.
I personally know 3 of the Shac prisoners who have been on remand for nearly a year!Www@FoodAQ@Com
In most cases, no, because I feel that I am no use to society as a criminal in prison for multiple offenses!. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer's money would be wasted on just feeding and sheltering me (I think it's close to 45,000 a year to house an inmate in America)!.
I would rather not be selfish, I'm not Robin Hood, I can do far more good by doing things the lawful way!. I might not commit a crime to get an immediate point across but I can certainly spend a lifetime fighting for causes I believe in - and I intend to, not just for nonhuman animals but for fellow humans as well!. I'm actually obsessed with humanitarian issues and my 5 year goal right now is to be in either the Sudan or the Congo to do whatever I can to help people in need!.
But I would throw it ALL away, plus my responsibilities to my child and family, my education, everything - for an impulsive act!. Nobody will remember a self made martyr!.
While I would not hesitate to commit battery and otherwise apprehend someone that, let's say, is about to set fire to an animal sanctuary, I would never be the one committing arson just because I disagree with what happens in the building (like animal testing)!. I would get in physical altercations to stop someone from beating a dog, too!. I would NEVER damage property or risk human lives for my agenda!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I would rather not be selfish, I'm not Robin Hood, I can do far more good by doing things the lawful way!. I might not commit a crime to get an immediate point across but I can certainly spend a lifetime fighting for causes I believe in - and I intend to, not just for nonhuman animals but for fellow humans as well!. I'm actually obsessed with humanitarian issues and my 5 year goal right now is to be in either the Sudan or the Congo to do whatever I can to help people in need!.
But I would throw it ALL away, plus my responsibilities to my child and family, my education, everything - for an impulsive act!. Nobody will remember a self made martyr!.
While I would not hesitate to commit battery and otherwise apprehend someone that, let's say, is about to set fire to an animal sanctuary, I would never be the one committing arson just because I disagree with what happens in the building (like animal testing)!. I would get in physical altercations to stop someone from beating a dog, too!. I would NEVER damage property or risk human lives for my agenda!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
No, because it is to get attention for a billion dollar organization pretending to care about animals!. Are you taking the risk so that the animals can then be euthanized!? PETA euthanizes approximately 97% of the animals in its care!.
I guess my question would be are you a recruiter to get some dupe to do the deed for you!? What exactly is it that you are recruiting here on Yahoo Answers!?
Would I take direct action in a legal way to help animals!? Yes, I do it all the time with my volunteer work!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I guess my question would be are you a recruiter to get some dupe to do the deed for you!? What exactly is it that you are recruiting here on Yahoo Answers!?
Would I take direct action in a legal way to help animals!? Yes, I do it all the time with my volunteer work!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
No, I'm not!. I'm wondering if you are!.
If so, are you driving!? Are you going in a vehicle!? Are you driving down a road!? Will you be eating veggies from crops harvests which kill millions of birds, squirrels, rabbits, lizards, frogs and other animals!? Will you be drinking tap water or any water which used some form of purification!?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you should think strongly about the definition of hypocrisy!. I'm a vegan but I don't use the Yahoo vegan forums to promote groups such as Direct Action!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
If so, are you driving!? Are you going in a vehicle!? Are you driving down a road!? Will you be eating veggies from crops harvests which kill millions of birds, squirrels, rabbits, lizards, frogs and other animals!? Will you be drinking tap water or any water which used some form of purification!?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you should think strongly about the definition of hypocrisy!. I'm a vegan but I don't use the Yahoo vegan forums to promote groups such as Direct Action!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Caturday, your profile says you are 15 years old and living in Ohio!.
Would you consider leaving the comfort of your home and support from your parents/guardians, working and supporting yourself 100% before you start questioning others about what risks they should take with their lives!?
also, you might want to consider whether Direct Action should be recruiting 15 year old boys to do their dirty work!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Would you consider leaving the comfort of your home and support from your parents/guardians, working and supporting yourself 100% before you start questioning others about what risks they should take with their lives!?
also, you might want to consider whether Direct Action should be recruiting 15 year old boys to do their dirty work!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I think this is the first time a 15 year old has asked me if I'm willing to risk prison to save animal lives!. I've saved animal lives, but I don't think I've ever risked prison!. I have several animals that I've rescued and I'm letting them heal so that they can return to nature!. This is someone I've been doing for a long time!. I also support Amnesty International both financially and actively!.
When you've successfully mastered puberty, supported yourself and held down a job which puts a roof over your head and buys your veggies, then maybe come back and ask this question!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
When you've successfully mastered puberty, supported yourself and held down a job which puts a roof over your head and buys your veggies, then maybe come back and ask this question!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I spend quite a few hours of my free time doing volunteer work for children with terminal cancer!. Many of their medicines and treatments have involved animal research!. As a medical doctor, I have made helping human life my choice and commitment!.
If you use any medicines, even over the counter ones, they have all been tested on animals at some point!. If you ever plan to go to the hospital if you have an accident, in a wreck or because you get sick, or have vaccinations for school, you have no right to judge others on what their choices are!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
If you use any medicines, even over the counter ones, they have all been tested on animals at some point!. If you ever plan to go to the hospital if you have an accident, in a wreck or because you get sick, or have vaccinations for school, you have no right to judge others on what their choices are!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
anyone who says yes to this is a liar!. i've heard of people doing pretty stupid stuff before, but no one in their right mind would risk prison to save a chicken!. anyone who says yes to this is just furthering my belief that veg*ans don't have much going on upstairs!.
you could pay me instead of putting me in prison and i still wouldn't interfere with someone's perfectly legal business!. if you don't like their business, don't support it!. but as long as it's legal, don't sabotage it!. if you do, you end up looking like the *** in the situation!.
!.!.!.and here come the thumbs down!.!.!.!.
edit: you guys aren't actually suggesting that it should be illegal to eat meat, are you!?
edit: thanks for the clarification, apres vous!. i was thinking more along the lines of people breaking into someone's farm and stealing all his pigs!. what you describe makes slightly more sense, but i still think someone would have to be crazy to risk prison to save an animal!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
you could pay me instead of putting me in prison and i still wouldn't interfere with someone's perfectly legal business!. if you don't like their business, don't support it!. but as long as it's legal, don't sabotage it!. if you do, you end up looking like the *** in the situation!.
!.!.!.and here come the thumbs down!.!.!.!.
edit: you guys aren't actually suggesting that it should be illegal to eat meat, are you!?
edit: thanks for the clarification, apres vous!. i was thinking more along the lines of people breaking into someone's farm and stealing all his pigs!. what you describe makes slightly more sense, but i still think someone would have to be crazy to risk prison to save an animal!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
That's a very vague question, direct action just means doing something yourself!. Yes, I would help animals if I could, but I don't see how that could be illegal!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Yes, I would consider it, but that consideration is dependent on multiple factors!.
I would not take action individually!.!.!.it has to be with a group!. And since I don't have strong leadership skills I would have to make sure the head thinker was responsible and could get a job done without being sloppy!. I would also have to review the overall plans and tie up any loose ends if need be!.
Obviously it would have to be well-thought-out!. I wouldn't join into a situation where, say, we cut a hole in the wall or fence so that animals might end up on a roadway!. We would need trucks to transport!. We would need a sanctuary that would rescue!. We would need skill and grace!.
And, if in the end, we were still caught, I don't think that would be in vain!.
But I always think about those poor souls in the SHAC 7!.
Edit #1: B-2, just because something is law doesn't make it necessarily right!. Especially in the US where the laws are in place to protect the wealthy whilst trouncing on the "little guy", be it the elderly, the poor, or the animals!.
Edit #2: B-2 I don't think you understand what we are talking about here!. Most direct action is directed toward animal laboratories, factory farms, fur/mink farms, etc!. It has nothing to do with making laws prohibiting eating meat!. If you get an education on the subject perhaps you wouldn't sound so dense!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I would not take action individually!.!.!.it has to be with a group!. And since I don't have strong leadership skills I would have to make sure the head thinker was responsible and could get a job done without being sloppy!. I would also have to review the overall plans and tie up any loose ends if need be!.
Obviously it would have to be well-thought-out!. I wouldn't join into a situation where, say, we cut a hole in the wall or fence so that animals might end up on a roadway!. We would need trucks to transport!. We would need a sanctuary that would rescue!. We would need skill and grace!.
And, if in the end, we were still caught, I don't think that would be in vain!.
But I always think about those poor souls in the SHAC 7!.
Edit #1: B-2, just because something is law doesn't make it necessarily right!. Especially in the US where the laws are in place to protect the wealthy whilst trouncing on the "little guy", be it the elderly, the poor, or the animals!.
Edit #2: B-2 I don't think you understand what we are talking about here!. Most direct action is directed toward animal laboratories, factory farms, fur/mink farms, etc!. It has nothing to do with making laws prohibiting eating meat!. If you get an education on the subject perhaps you wouldn't sound so dense!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
To B-2:
It was once legal to refuse women the right to vote in the United States!. It was legal to torment and kill Jews in Nazi Germany!. Cockfighting was once legal across the U!.S!.
The legality of something does not determine its morality!.
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That said, I don't know if I'd be willing to take part in direct action!. I admire those who do it, but I don't think I would have the guts to participate!. (I would consider it though, depending on the situation)!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
It was once legal to refuse women the right to vote in the United States!. It was legal to torment and kill Jews in Nazi Germany!. Cockfighting was once legal across the U!.S!.
The legality of something does not determine its morality!.
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That said, I don't know if I'd be willing to take part in direct action!. I admire those who do it, but I don't think I would have the guts to participate!. (I would consider it though, depending on the situation)!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
If I did not have things I have to do in my life, I might risk it!. I have loads of respect and love for those that do risk their lives and freedom to save animals, as long as they don't physically hurt anyone especially any innocents!. That's great that there is only 5 of the SHAC 7 in prison now, they do not deserve prison :(Www@FoodAQ@Com
I would because prison compared to a life is small!Www@FoodAQ@Com
I am not sure if I understand this question but I'll tell you a story about when I was a student at URI which may have some bearing on the issue!.
I was taking a Zoology class wherein each of us was expected to pith a live frog by severing the spinal column at the cervical vertebrae!. We were then expected to open a limb and attach an electrode to see if the animal's nervous system would continue to function automatically when electric shock stimulus was applied directly to the animals exposed muscle!.
We were told that the animal would live for between twenty minutes and half an hour while we performed this experiment!. We were also told that they would not be in pain once the spinal cord was cut!. I was aware of their fear and abject terror as they hopped about in their cage and knew instantly that I would rather forego the "A"in the course than participate!. I stood and delivered a rather impassioned plea for sanity and flatly refused to do it!. The Graduate student told me that I would get a zero for the lab and that it could hurt my QPA!. I told him that was fine with me!.
Six other students left the room when I did also refusing to participate and I have to tell you -- that felt pretty good!.!.
This wasn't the end of the matter however, I wrote a letter to the Professor who was head of the Department and sent a copy to the Student Paper!. Of course I was invited for a conference by that august gentleman who threw one fallacious argument after another at me as though I were a child to be intimidated!. I pointed out his informal fallacies to him one by one (obnoxious Philosophy student that I was) and told him that frankly if that experiment was so essential -- one animal for the entire class of 700 student would have been sufficient!. Or better yet, ,I would have been perfectly happy to take their word on the out-come of the experiment and I certainly didn't need to perform that experiment myself!. Furthermore, it seemed a wanton waste of frog life to me!. I told him that I had no intention of entering the medical field and that l honestly saw no personal value to performing the experiment!.
I did not fail the course!. I did get my "A" but I did get a zero for the lab!.
Two years later as the professor was about to retire he went through his correspondence and found my letter which he reread in a more dispassionate way!. He called his graduate students together and told them that the experiment would no longer be required but could be performed as an elective for extra credit!. They in turn found me in the Student Union and presented me with a ceramic frog -- named Thanatopsis -- lifted me to their shoulders and carried me around the room cheering and calling me a champion defender of frog life and student sensibilities!
So if that was direct action at personal risk to some small extent, I have done it!. A little thing perhaps, but I must say I am rather proud of it!.
Not only can I look a frog in the eye, I believe I have managed to save many thousands of their lives in the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations over the years!.
My father used to say that man is not a rational animal at all but is rather a featherless biped who has the capacity for rational thought if, and only if, he has sufficient emotional distance from the object of his attention or inquiry!. I think I rather agree with him!. However, I would add that it is through the emotions of horror, empathy and compassion that the stimulus to rational thought and appropriate action often takes place!.
I really hope that helps!. I know it helped the frogs in Rhode Island!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I was taking a Zoology class wherein each of us was expected to pith a live frog by severing the spinal column at the cervical vertebrae!. We were then expected to open a limb and attach an electrode to see if the animal's nervous system would continue to function automatically when electric shock stimulus was applied directly to the animals exposed muscle!.
We were told that the animal would live for between twenty minutes and half an hour while we performed this experiment!. We were also told that they would not be in pain once the spinal cord was cut!. I was aware of their fear and abject terror as they hopped about in their cage and knew instantly that I would rather forego the "A"in the course than participate!. I stood and delivered a rather impassioned plea for sanity and flatly refused to do it!. The Graduate student told me that I would get a zero for the lab and that it could hurt my QPA!. I told him that was fine with me!.
Six other students left the room when I did also refusing to participate and I have to tell you -- that felt pretty good!.!.
This wasn't the end of the matter however, I wrote a letter to the Professor who was head of the Department and sent a copy to the Student Paper!. Of course I was invited for a conference by that august gentleman who threw one fallacious argument after another at me as though I were a child to be intimidated!. I pointed out his informal fallacies to him one by one (obnoxious Philosophy student that I was) and told him that frankly if that experiment was so essential -- one animal for the entire class of 700 student would have been sufficient!. Or better yet, ,I would have been perfectly happy to take their word on the out-come of the experiment and I certainly didn't need to perform that experiment myself!. Furthermore, it seemed a wanton waste of frog life to me!. I told him that I had no intention of entering the medical field and that l honestly saw no personal value to performing the experiment!.
I did not fail the course!. I did get my "A" but I did get a zero for the lab!.
Two years later as the professor was about to retire he went through his correspondence and found my letter which he reread in a more dispassionate way!. He called his graduate students together and told them that the experiment would no longer be required but could be performed as an elective for extra credit!. They in turn found me in the Student Union and presented me with a ceramic frog -- named Thanatopsis -- lifted me to their shoulders and carried me around the room cheering and calling me a champion defender of frog life and student sensibilities!
So if that was direct action at personal risk to some small extent, I have done it!. A little thing perhaps, but I must say I am rather proud of it!.
Not only can I look a frog in the eye, I believe I have managed to save many thousands of their lives in the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations over the years!.
My father used to say that man is not a rational animal at all but is rather a featherless biped who has the capacity for rational thought if, and only if, he has sufficient emotional distance from the object of his attention or inquiry!. I think I rather agree with him!. However, I would add that it is through the emotions of horror, empathy and compassion that the stimulus to rational thought and appropriate action often takes place!.
I really hope that helps!. I know it helped the frogs in Rhode Island!.Www@FoodAQ@Com