Animal loving non-vegans/vegetarians?!
So why do people who are admitted "animal lovers" but still eat meat, refuse to even try learning about the suffering their "meal animals" have to go through!? How many times have you as a Vegan or Vegetarian tried to hold a conversation with someone like this, referring them to one of the many behind-the-scenes-videos available and they reply with disgust at the thought of even hearing about it!?
More importantly, I suppose, how do all of you handle a conversation along these lines with people like this!? Personally, I usually find myself resisting the urge to smack them upside the head!. I know if any of my friends were willing to turn around and eat my family members, I'd have to seriously reconsider my definition of "friend"!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
More importantly, I suppose, how do all of you handle a conversation along these lines with people like this!? Personally, I usually find myself resisting the urge to smack them upside the head!. I know if any of my friends were willing to turn around and eat my family members, I'd have to seriously reconsider my definition of "friend"!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
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It's hard to resist to become violently angry, but I know I can't change their minds on my own!. The only thing I can do is try to make them understand what is happening to those animals!. It really makes me sad, but I can't change the whole world!. I can't change what makes people happy and satisfied!.
What I do makes me happy, and there are plenty of people out their like me to support my diet!. I see the hypocrisy of it all, but even then, they seem to have some excuse!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
What I do makes me happy, and there are plenty of people out their like me to support my diet!. I see the hypocrisy of it all, but even then, they seem to have some excuse!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I have many friends who claim to be animal lovers but refuse to read anything I give them about animal suffering or watch any video links I send them with the excuse that "PETA is f***ing crazy!!!"
It's a terrible excuse not only because (1) PETA isn't crazy, but (2) what does that have to do with not learning about animal cruelty!? Even if all of the people at PETA were mentally retarded, that wouldn't change the fact that there are companies out there torturing animals, and that organizations like PETA let the public know what happens!.
I think it's just because they don't want to know what horrible things they're supporting!. They won't feel guilty about it if they don't know what it is!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
It's a terrible excuse not only because (1) PETA isn't crazy, but (2) what does that have to do with not learning about animal cruelty!? Even if all of the people at PETA were mentally retarded, that wouldn't change the fact that there are companies out there torturing animals, and that organizations like PETA let the public know what happens!.
I think it's just because they don't want to know what horrible things they're supporting!. They won't feel guilty about it if they don't know what it is!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
People don't like being told that you think that something they do every day is immoral!. I feel like most people have heard about or been exposed to "behind the scenes" pictures/videos, and for some reason or another haven't changed their diets because of them!. You trying to force it onto them will likely only make them defensive and perpetuate the rumor that all vegans and vegetarians are nagging moralists!. While I'm sure that some people change their diets because a friend/family member exposes them to those kinds of things, I feel like most non-meat eaters come to the decision by themselves!. It's not the kind of thing you can force!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Interestingly enough, it just so happens that the people who seem to be the most threatened by vegetarian beliefs take a quote of what you said and elaborate an attack on it, getting off the main topic and not answering your question!. Only 2 or 3 people actually answered the questions and the rest just bluffed and talked about other topics not even relevant or pertinent to the question posed, like hunting and human issues!.
Seriously, these people need a life!. Or at least not make a giant deal out of everything!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Seriously, these people need a life!. Or at least not make a giant deal out of everything!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Why do you feel the need to be a missionary for vegetarianism!? Is it your religion!?
I love animals and nature, keep several pets and have rescued many neglected and abandoned dogs!. I am an animal lover!. I'm also a avid hunter!. Yes, I kill and butcher my own meat and often share my harvest with the needy in my community!.
There is no conflict here!. Humans are natural hunters and now that the populations of predatory animals is thin, humans need to hunt in order to keep grazing animals like deer and elk healthy!. If we didn't hunt, these animals would overpopulate and suffer!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I love animals and nature, keep several pets and have rescued many neglected and abandoned dogs!. I am an animal lover!. I'm also a avid hunter!. Yes, I kill and butcher my own meat and often share my harvest with the needy in my community!.
There is no conflict here!. Humans are natural hunters and now that the populations of predatory animals is thin, humans need to hunt in order to keep grazing animals like deer and elk healthy!. If we didn't hunt, these animals would overpopulate and suffer!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Right first of all, look back at your question and actually read what you have written, if it doesn't hit you, read it out aloud, you'll surely realise how you sound once you have done soWww@FoodAQ@Com
They insulate themselves from information that makes them feel bad abour their decisions!.
Most of us were omnivores at one time, too, until something affected us!. You have to keep trying!Www@FoodAQ@Com
Most of us were omnivores at one time, too, until something affected us!. You have to keep trying!Www@FoodAQ@Com
That is a typical messiah mentality vegetarian who is trying to validate his choices by trying to make others seem illogical!.
Do you also hound those who say they are humanitarian and donate millions of dollars to charities yet lock their doors at night and would not let complete human stranger come in even in a cold winter night!? Of course not!.
When most people say they love animals!. they don't mean a personal bond to that animal(s)!. They may enjoy the company of certain creatures, enjoy watching them, even keep some as companions, But they also are realists who know that some animals as kept for food!. They may eat a cow but they don;t necessarily approve torturing one!. they may enjoy bacon but they also abhor the conditions that some pigs are kept!. They will eat eggs, but they also would protest battery cages for chickens!. they are realists!. They eat animals but they don't approve unnecessary cruelty towards them either!. i see no conflict or issue with that!.
Funny, most of these people you feel like smacking upside the head are pretty secure with their lives!. You seem to be the one with a lot questions, unresolved issues, conflict and frankly, a lot of hate in your head!. And omnivores are the violent insecure ones!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
Do you also hound those who say they are humanitarian and donate millions of dollars to charities yet lock their doors at night and would not let complete human stranger come in even in a cold winter night!? Of course not!.
When most people say they love animals!. they don't mean a personal bond to that animal(s)!. They may enjoy the company of certain creatures, enjoy watching them, even keep some as companions, But they also are realists who know that some animals as kept for food!. They may eat a cow but they don;t necessarily approve torturing one!. they may enjoy bacon but they also abhor the conditions that some pigs are kept!. They will eat eggs, but they also would protest battery cages for chickens!. they are realists!. They eat animals but they don't approve unnecessary cruelty towards them either!. i see no conflict or issue with that!.
Funny, most of these people you feel like smacking upside the head are pretty secure with their lives!. You seem to be the one with a lot questions, unresolved issues, conflict and frankly, a lot of hate in your head!. And omnivores are the violent insecure ones!?Www@FoodAQ@Com
"I find there's a huge difference between the animals I know and the one's I don't!. Case in point, I wouldn't want someone to eat MY dog but I couldn't care less if someone ate a dog I don't know!."
That's the kind of solid reasoning I have come to expect from Just Some Dude!. If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic!. This is selfishness or stupidity and maybe some of both!.
Some (stupid) people do not recognize the inherent value of sentient beings, but see them as only having instrumental value!. Generally people like this also see people as only having instrumental value as well; it's a pretty messed up view on life!.
"But they also are realists who know that some animals as kept for food!."
What the hell!? How is that loving animals!. That is more akin to liking animals as long as they serve some purpose for you!. That would be like me saying, "I love all humans!. I have to be realistic though, there are some people that have the misfortune to be born poor!. Oh well, sucks for them!"
If you LOVE someone, you recognize that they have inherent value and are more than just a resource that you can exploit!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
That's the kind of solid reasoning I have come to expect from Just Some Dude!. If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic!. This is selfishness or stupidity and maybe some of both!.
Some (stupid) people do not recognize the inherent value of sentient beings, but see them as only having instrumental value!. Generally people like this also see people as only having instrumental value as well; it's a pretty messed up view on life!.
"But they also are realists who know that some animals as kept for food!."
What the hell!? How is that loving animals!. That is more akin to liking animals as long as they serve some purpose for you!. That would be like me saying, "I love all humans!. I have to be realistic though, there are some people that have the misfortune to be born poor!. Oh well, sucks for them!"
If you LOVE someone, you recognize that they have inherent value and are more than just a resource that you can exploit!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Are you seriously implying that non-human animals are equal to humans!?
RoboMonk, to equate the killing of non-human animals to humans is a messed up view on life!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
RoboMonk, to equate the killing of non-human animals to humans is a messed up view on life!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I do love all animals,and the edible ones taste good!.I'd rather see the deer herd culled by hunters than watch them starve to death in the winter!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I am an animal lover who likes the taste of well prepared meat!. I would suggest that you continue to resist that urge!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
I find there's a huge difference between the animals I know and the one's I don't!. Case in point, I wouldn't want someone to eat MY dog but I couldn't care less if someone ate a dog I don't know!.
"I usually find myself resisting the urge to smack them upside the head!."-they say "discretion is the better part of valor"!.
Personally, I spent many summers on farms and have seen all there is to see!. People just have different levels of acceptance!. It cannot be denied that people like yourself, even in this day, are considered extreme and your limited numbers support that!. I have enough concerns in the human animal realm to fill my days!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
"I usually find myself resisting the urge to smack them upside the head!."-they say "discretion is the better part of valor"!.
Personally, I spent many summers on farms and have seen all there is to see!. People just have different levels of acceptance!. It cannot be denied that people like yourself, even in this day, are considered extreme and your limited numbers support that!. I have enough concerns in the human animal realm to fill my days!.Www@FoodAQ@Com