What is the difference in this scenario vegans?!
Honey vs!. produce!. Honey is collected from bees!. Some bees are harmed in the process!. With commercially grown produce, pesticides, both organic and not, are used to kill and deter pests (bugs and harmful animals)!. During harvest, many bugs and animals are killed!. There can be no arguing that many more creatures are killed, pound for pound, for human produce consumption compared to human honey consumption!.
My question is, why is honey not vegan and the other vegan!? Is it simply because honey is not necessary in our diets or is there something else!? also, if you're going to say the bees are exploited and the other bugs and animals aren't, are you saying that exploitation outranks death!?
I'm not trolling!. Just asking!. Some questions are gonna sound like trolling no matter who asks or how they ask!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
My question is, why is honey not vegan and the other vegan!? Is it simply because honey is not necessary in our diets or is there something else!? also, if you're going to say the bees are exploited and the other bugs and animals aren't, are you saying that exploitation outranks death!?
I'm not trolling!. Just asking!. Some questions are gonna sound like trolling no matter who asks or how they ask!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Answers:
Good question - I am a vegan and in my opinion no living being can exist without harming another, even the most staunch vegans do harm inadvertantly!. We all harm several living beings in our normal course of life but this harm is not justified when it is targetted at something whihc is not really required for a living beings existence/sustainence!. having said that you have answered your question - Honey is an animal product and it is not really required in one's diet and hence it is considered as exploitation of the bees which cannot be really justified especially in the likelihood of the sacrifice of several bees' lives!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Well with honey the bees are needed for it!. they are purposely harvested and killed!.
sadly insects get killed with produce!. but its not like the farmers put them there intentionally!.
and if insects die either way, id rather it be just one way (produce) then both (produce and honey)Www@FoodAQ@Com
sadly insects get killed with produce!. but its not like the farmers put them there intentionally!.
and if insects die either way, id rather it be just one way (produce) then both (produce and honey)Www@FoodAQ@Com
I'm not a vegan, but from what I have heard, organic vegetables are not sprayed with pesticides or herbicides!. The few vegan people i have known though grow their own plants indoors!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
Well, honey comes directly from the bees so its an "animal product" but imagine if vegans did not eat fruits and produce what could they eat!? So you have to draw the line somewhere!.!.!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
That is why organic produce is such a good idea, no pesticides!. Honey is the food for the bees anywaysWww@FoodAQ@Com
Organic homegrown fruits!.
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also, during winter, in a lot of big honey farms, the hives are burned so they do not have to deal with downtime maintenance!. Queen bees have there wings removed as well, and if a disease gets into a hive, they will kill the whole thing to prevent it from spreading!. A lot more intentional harm is done on bees in honey farms than in fruit productions!.
Plus, when i move out, I am going to grow as much as i possibly can and what I do not grow, I am going to buy from local places that do NOT use pesticides! That way I know for a fact workers are getting a reasonable salary!.
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For now though, I am stuck with fruits with pesticides, I do grow what I can, but that is severely limited in texas, lol!Www@FoodAQ@Com
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also, during winter, in a lot of big honey farms, the hives are burned so they do not have to deal with downtime maintenance!. Queen bees have there wings removed as well, and if a disease gets into a hive, they will kill the whole thing to prevent it from spreading!. A lot more intentional harm is done on bees in honey farms than in fruit productions!.
Plus, when i move out, I am going to grow as much as i possibly can and what I do not grow, I am going to buy from local places that do NOT use pesticides! That way I know for a fact workers are getting a reasonable salary!.
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For now though, I am stuck with fruits with pesticides, I do grow what I can, but that is severely limited in texas, lol!Www@FoodAQ@Com
I think you have to settle one issue first and that is IS honey universally non acceptable to vegans or it it!? I think even within the vegan community itself, there are arguments about this subject just as there are arguments about pet keeping!. Remember that large commercial beehives are also used to pollinate commercial fruit farms (as shown in 60 Minutes) where the same number of bees are killed during the harvesting of honey!. Yet fruits are a favorite vegan food!.
What I also find astonishing is that many people post "facts" about bee keeping management that are outright false, "Some hives are burned" and "bees are piprosly killed" is absolutely wrong (winter is the time when queens produce winter eggs to produce winter bees which are dissimilar to summer bees) and in the cases where it is true, is no way representative of the whole bee keeping industry, I find this type of negative stereotyping hypocritical especially coming from a vegan who always points out that not all vegans are alike, yet here she is doing exactly the same thing to an industry!. this is also the same vegan who posted that organic fertilizers and pesticides are not part of an organic farm!. Absolutely false!. Organic certified farms are allowed to use organic pesticides and fertilizers!. I thinks she knows it but would rather try to slip one through in case nobody is watching!. Or she is really that ignorant!.Www@FoodAQ@Com
What I also find astonishing is that many people post "facts" about bee keeping management that are outright false, "Some hives are burned" and "bees are piprosly killed" is absolutely wrong (winter is the time when queens produce winter eggs to produce winter bees which are dissimilar to summer bees) and in the cases where it is true, is no way representative of the whole bee keeping industry, I find this type of negative stereotyping hypocritical especially coming from a vegan who always points out that not all vegans are alike, yet here she is doing exactly the same thing to an industry!. this is also the same vegan who posted that organic fertilizers and pesticides are not part of an organic farm!. Absolutely false!. Organic certified farms are allowed to use organic pesticides and fertilizers!. I thinks she knows it but would rather try to slip one through in case nobody is watching!. Or she is really that ignorant!.Www@FoodAQ@Com