Does it annoy you when meat eaters nag about the environment?!

So if I eat meat, I'm a fake person when I shut off my lights, conserve energy and water, limit the use of my car and recycle?

If more of the world were "fake" in that way, it'd be a much cleaner place.

No offense but I think it makes you just as pretentious as your friends for trying to say that you are better than anybody else because of the choices that you are making.

While I believe that everybody should do their best to be environmentally friendly, it would be devastating to the economy if more people were to go vegan or vegetarian. It would also cause health problems for many people, especially those who can't afford to make healthy non-meat choices. People can't be judged by their diet.

That being said, I applaud vegans and vegetarians for making such an important choice. I just find the superiority complex they have to be annoying.

(I have refrained from eating meat for over two years at one point, and still only eat meat on rare occasions. I am by no means opposed to veganism.)

You are so full of yourself. You think that being vegan is the perfect thing and that meat eaters are bad. And then a meat eater tries to be environmental , you critisize them for not being vegan

You know what really annoys me. It's vegans that will become sickly in their senior years because of insufficient vitimins and minerals and we will have to pay for their health care. Or even worse, when they hurt children by forcing their dilusional ways upon them.

Maybe next time they go to eat that piece of steak you should let them know the effect that livestock has on the environment, they probably don't know!

It doesn't really bother me. I think people are just a bit ignorant sometimes. Its your job to enlighten them :)

Going by the amount chemicals they spray over our vegetables, its no more environmentally friendly than meat production.

i do not understand what one has to do with the other, will you explain please

Just cos you don't eat animal products doesn't make it okay to waste paper!

But yes, there's not much understanding between the meat eating side and the non-meat eating side. I feel, and have indeed felt, yer frustration. You don't have to be so stressed, it's gonna be okay.

You're a vegan? "Does it annoy you when vegetarians nag about the environment?''

I thought vegetarians were against factory farming or are being vegetarians for health reasons. Where do you think the dairy cows are sent after their 3-4 years of service as milk machines? So, vegetarians are the hypocrites. Drinking cow milk in general is ''bad'' for a human. Milk is nature's perfect food...if you're a calf. A cow is a four-legged, ruminant animal in the taxonomic class Theria. Humans are higher primates. Are you a cow? See the major differences in taxonomic ranks? Can a vegetarian explain their logic, lack there of, that a human drinking the milk of cow is au naturale? They're drinking milk from an animal that makes and reswallows its own cud, has hooves and horns, has a 4-chambered stomach, and only communicates saying MOOOO!!


Look up the consequences of too much saturated fat, calcium, and proteins in your diet. Cow milk hAS more than 20 different complex proteins. This may provoke an immune response on ingestion, with casein being the most well-known allergen. Although they share similar symptoms, milk allergy and milk sensitivity are two distinct conditions with different potential outcomes. Also, the pasteurization process can denature the proteins resulting in your kidneys doing nothing with them and just expelling it through your urine.

Cows are not milk machines. If it is organic, raw, or pasteurized, It is unhealthy for human consumption.

Why don't the propagandists working with the dairy industry & the mass media who always bash soy milk never want to talk about the high estrogen content in cow milk? There is this myth that soy has the animal hormone estrogen in it. Soy, a legume, comes from plants . Plants don't make animal hormones. The real problem is the high estrogen and progesterone content in cow milk, which is off the chart. The link between cancer and dietary hormones - estrogen in particular - has been a source of great concern among scientists.
Butter, meat, eggs, milk, and cheese are implicated in higher rates of hormone-dependent cancers in general. Breast cancer has been linked particularly to consumption of milk and cheese.
Cancer rates linked to dairy are a major concern. In the past 50 years in Japan rising rates of dairy consumption are linked with rising death rates from prostate cancer - from near zero per 100,000 five decades ago to 7 per 100,000 today.
The potential for risk is large. Natural estrogens are up to 100,000 times more potent than their environmental counterparts, such as the estrogen-like compounds in pesticides. Among the routes of human exposure to estrogens, we are mostly concerned about cow's milk, which contains considerable amounts of female sex hormones.
Part of the problem seems to be milk from modern dairy farms, where cows are milked about 300 days a year. For much of that time, the cows are pregnant. The later in pregnancy a cow is, the more hormones appear in her milk.

Milk from a cow in the late stage of pregnancy contains up to 33 times as much estrogen compound than milk from a non-pregnant cow.
Don't think cows ''have to milked.'' They are not milk machines meant to be milk every day of their life. The body produces hormones estrogen that stimulate the growth of the milk duct DURING pregnancy and after birth, meant only for the calf. When the calf weans, the calf is off it for life. The maintenance of milk production requires prolactin and oxytocin. High levels of progesterone inhibit lactation before birth. Disturbance of oxytocin secretion stops lactation just as readily as a lack of the hormones necessary for milk production, for the milk in the breast (udders) is then not extractable by the infant. So, they don't continue lactating for a lifetime.

CONCLUSIONS:''The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk.''

Solution: Estrogen is an animal hormone, only made by animals. There are no estrogens in plant foods. Pick soy milk, rice milk. almond milk, etc.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf06…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14729…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496…
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006…