Vegan choline? (ten points)?!


Question: Vegan choline? (ten points)?
I'm considering veganism, but choline has me at a roadblock... I've been to multiple stores and none sell choline supplements, I can't purchase them online (I don't have a credit card or anything like that and I don't trust the internet anyway), I've also been looking for lethicin which is a good choline source, but again, no stores seem to sell it. I can't obtain choline from vegan food alone... the recommended choline intake is almost 450 mg, cauliflower (which is one of the highest vegan sources of choline) only has about 60 mg per 100 g (or something like that), there are a few other foods which contain it in small amounts -- tofu has about 20 mg per 100 g, navy beans like 30 mg, etc. So as you can see unless I want to overdose on cauliflower daily I'm a bit stuck here. Also, I've checked out regular vegan multivitamin / supplements and most don't contain any, and if they do it's only like 30 mg (I've also looked at regular vitamins / supplements and they contain almost none). This isn't something I want to take lightly, apparently choline deficiency can cause liver damage...that doesn't sound like fun. Where exactly does this leave me? I've researched vegan nutrition and this is the only thing I'm having a problem with (if it wasn't for this I would've already gone vegan). What do you suggest? Where do you get your choline from? (Also, I just want to stress -- DO NOT suggest I buy off the internet, it's never gonna happen).

Thanks. 10 points, etc.

Answers:

I am sorry no one is really being of help to you. I can't answer your question either tho :( But thank you for opening my eyes to something I have not thought about. Never even though of Choline. I will have to talk to my fiance and go to our health store to see what we can do to incorporate this more into our diet.. good luck.. and if you don't feel safe about going vegan, you can always buy organic, certified humane meat and dairy/egg products. Good luck and don't give up on what you want to do. I am sure if you try hard enough you will find something that makes you happy :)



Unless you are eating raw beef liver or several hard-boiled eggs on a daily basis, you're probably not getting any more choline now than you would be if you switched to a vegan diet. You listed several good vegan sources of choline. If you do not want to consume a lot of those, and you can't find supplements in stores, and you refuse to buy supplements online for whatever reason, then you are out of luck, whether or not you're vegan. Also, if you "don't trust the internet," then why are you asking strangers on the internet about how to plan a healthy diet?

Edit:

"I wouldn't trust specific websites on the Internet with credit card information "

I'm glad you clarified what exactly you don't trust about the internet. You didn't make that clear before. I know you said you'll never change your mind about ordering online, but I still think it's worth stating that your fear of giving personal information to reputable sellers on secure websites is quite unfounded.

"So, you're suggesting I eat cauliflower, navy beans, tofu, etc. everyday, providing me with only 110 mg of choline."

If you ate those things each day, you would get much more than 110 mg of choline. You would probably get that much from the cauliflower alone, depending on how much you eat.

"Choline is found in meat products other than liver, so most people are getting around 300 mg daily."

Other than raw beef liver and hard-boiled eggs, the best sources of choline (highest choline to calorie ratio) are vegan. So unless you're eating lots of raw beef liver and hard-boiled eggs now, you probably wouldn't miss out on any more choline by becoming vegan.

Overall, you seem like a concern troll to me.



Obviously the internet is the easiest, but I know The Vitamin Shoppe often carries it. So if you have one nearby or any other comparable vitamin/nutrition store, you can get it from them and if they don't have it I know they'd be able to order it for you and you can then pick it up at the store. Also, I know Carnation Instant Breakfast (most likely not vegan friendly) has a fair amount of Choline in it, along with most things soy. Hope that helps!



The government database gives a breakdown of foods that have
choline/lecithin in them and how much:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Da…
The database contains values for six choline metabolites:
Betaine
Glycerophosphocholine
Phosphocholine
Phosphatidylcholine
Sphingomyelin
Total choline
When you go to this site, on the left hand side...if you scroll down:
you will see the different catagories of food and can click on them
to bring each one up.

If you know of a bakery in your area, they use Lecithin (which is
a higher source of choline) in bread making. You may be able
to ask them about where they got theres. It helps preserve breads
and gives them a lighter texture. I've never seen it in grocery stores,
either. We have little amish stores around our area, that sells it,
because they normally make all their own breads and baked goods.

Here is a site, on the internet, that if you "write" to them...they "may"
sell it to you and let you write out a check for it. I get their products
because they are really healthy:
http://www.bobsredmill.com/soy-lecithin-…

Here is another slight list taken from this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choline_def…

Animal and plant foods Choline (mg)
5 ounces (142 g) raw beef liver 473
Large hardboiled egg 113
Half a pound (227 g) codfish 190
Half a pound of chicken 149
Quart of milk, 1% fat 173
A tablespoon (8 g) soy lecithin 250
A pound (454 grams) of cauliflower 177
A cup of wheat germ 202
Two cups (0.47 liters) firm tofu 142
Two cups of cooked kidney beans 108
A cup of uncooked quinoa 119
A cup of uncooked amaranth 135
A grapefruit 19
3 cups (710 cc) cooked brown rice 54
A cup (146 g) of peanuts 77
A cup (143 g) of almonds 74
IF you go to this site, they also state right below this:
other cruciferous vegetables have choline in them also...
you just have to click where it has "cruciferous vegetables" in
blue.

Best wishes...hope this has been of some help.

caregiver to a liver transplant patient




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