Question for strict vegans and animal rights activists?!

Veganism is better from an animal rights point of view. Animal rights is the position that animals cannot (should not) be used as means to human ends, that animals have intrinsic value. Veganism is the only diet (foodview?) compatible with animal rights.

Animal welfare is the position that animals can be used by humans (like raising them to kill them for food) as long as the animals are treated nicely.

What the PETA person was getting at is that, if you're correct about your assessment of farm you get animal products from, you're the exception to the rule. "Free-range" is an unregulated term, and "organic" only refers to whether they use synthetic pesticides or intentionally use GMOs, not whether they treat animals nicely or not.

I am sorry but PETA folks really need to judt get a life. As far as if you should be vegan or stay lacto-ovo veg it si Your choice. Do not let people on here tell you what you should do. The decision is Yours alone.

Funding the use of sentient creatures as property
is supporting a world order that reduces living, feeling beings to THINGS.

Go vegan.

My opinion. My brain.

Free range are bad too. Just be vegan

All killing is murder- there's no hugging to death of happy cows.
The animals don't want to be killed, otherwise they'd run into the arms of their killer and plead him to hurry up.

As for milk, cheese and eggs.

It's tempting to think your' friendly farmyard keeps happy fat hens and cows for milk, who are happily grazing in the sunlight to give you your eggs and cheese. But have you been to the farm>

If you have and you truthfully can say you have visited the place, and not one chicken is caged, and not one cow is treated badly- then OK.
PErsonally I don't think the farm you mention is a kind living farm . Its a farm that kills its cows.

Be vegan, there is no nice murder, and it's a way to sugar coat the issue , of you argue that these eggs over here are from happy hens, and those cows are treated really well before their muurder. Come off it, that's not fooling anyone.

It doesnt matter if you know the people. until you see the actual animals and how they're handled, you cant make an animal rights decision because you dont know if they are being mistreated. Dairy simply isnt meant for human consumption. We are the only species on the planet that drinks milk past infancy and the only species that drinks the milk of another species. Lactose intolerance is the most common food allergy and even people who dont show symtoms of it often see great results when they remove it from their diet. Also, cow's milk is meant to cause weight gain, a 90lb calf gains 2,000lbs in under 2 years drinking milk. Why do you think low fat milk is so popular... if that doesnt tell you that milk is not meant for humans idk what will....

In my opinion you should continue to buy the eggs and milk from the small farms. These vegans like to pretend they know everything about farming. In truth they know nothing and exaterate about what happens. If it's from a small farm you can be almost sure the free range hens are really free range unlike free range eggs from eggs from a super market. As long as you know they are living a natural life then I don't see a problem with buying the eggs. The chickens are most likely slaughtered after a few years but they are going to die naturally soon after that any way. I would much rather support small farmers then nothing at all. If their is always goin to be farming wouldn't you rather promote it to be sustainable and local?

*sigh*
Yet another example of a good idea gone horribly wrong. I'm talking about PETA, not you. Their propaganda machine just keeps cranking along, no matter how ridiculous the claims.

This is one of those calls you're going to have to make for yourself. Personally, I'd stick to supporting the family farms. While it's true that a label can say almost anything, YOU know darn good and well that your organic free-range eggs actually are from chickens that run around in a yard and eat grain and bugs and random seeds (and the result probably tastes a heck of a lot better than what's in the grocery stores.) So if you can look at how the animals there are treated, and be ok with that, then keep doing what you're doing.

Nobody can make that choice except for you. We all have gone vegan for different reasons. If you want my opinion based on my reasoning, I'd say no matter where it came from, dairy has hormones in it not meant for human consumption that can cause weight gain depending on the person's metabolism. Also, it "belongs" to the calves.

There are equally good plant calciums out there you just have to do a little research like I have. Here's a link:
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/calcium.htm

Eggs do not taste pleasing IMO, they taste gamey and I never liked them. I realize what they really are, too...
Also if you really want to make the transition from vegetarian to vegan, I say you have to ease into it. It's not an overnight thing from my experience. FIrst comes your food and clothing, then comes your soaps and cosmetics. Take your time to get to know labels, familiarize yourself with the vitamins in different vegetables and fruits, and be patient with dairy cravings.

It depends on your motivation to be vego in the first place. If you are opposed to the killing of animals for food then it is illogical to consume dairy and eggs when animals must be killed to produce them sustainably. If you just want to reduce the amount of suffering you are responsible for, and you are ok with the kind of suffering that is occurring on those farms you have visited then keep doing what you are doing.

The peta kid was making a generalisation, organic doesn't mean better welfare and they still kill the male chicks and calves in dairy and egg production for free range farms. To that person there is no difference in how well the animals are treated, they all die the same so they cannot support it. But if you are ok with it, then that is that.

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