Where is the moral imperative against eating meat?!
Where is the moral imperative against eating meat?
Its not in the bible thats for sure, that thing is loaded with animal for food references and God himself made man custodian of all the animals.
Its certainly not evolutionary. If you follow that line the apes we descend from were omniverous at least to an extent .But beyond that we have fangs ( canines ) whose only purpose under the sun is to tear animal flesh. So even if we werent made to eat flesh originally we certainly are made that way now.
Who has the moral authority to tell me or any other meat eater that we should give up our natural place on the food chain? meat isnt murder. you don't call a whale a murderer for eating shrimp nor a cat for eating mice.
What is your moral basis for it accusing us of it?
14 hours ago
We arent the ones putting anyone down. Eat what you like. WE dont care We have been here a long time eating meat and if it werent good for us we would have died out eons ago. my question IS what gives anyone the MORAL right to criticize it?
ON WHAT MORAL BASIS?
And anyway we humans are naturally OMNIVORES not carnivores. Its all about balance. we cook our food NOW because we lost the enzymes and antibodies that helped us digest raw meat WHEN we learned to cook it
You are making my point for me. you are trying to deny the evolution of mankind and become a throwback to the chimps who live in trees because they have to graze ALL DAY LONG to get their sustainance. Feel free but dont drag the rest of us backward with you.
Meat provides efficient and complete protein so that we can eat LESS and do more with the time we have. It allowed us to grow mentally.
Evolution is a forward moving process but get left behind if you like. just leave us alone in the proces
14 hours ago
adam and eve lasted how long as vegetarians? thats debatable. I saw nowhere in the bible that says he went to the wasroom either but he must have. OMISSION IS NOT CONDEMNATION
14 hours ago
There is this concept called moderation. Even diabetics can eat 4 ounces of lean meat daily according to the a.m.a.
Where is your medical training?
12 hours ago
I SEE NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEPT OF
moderation.
Heart disease is self induced by overindulgence. why does eating meat have to be equated with fat slovenly bums. THATS MY BIGGEST OBJECTION TO YOU ALL.
There are some fat pigs who eat no meat due to their religion. they are still lazy gluttonous lumps. they overdo sugar or potato chips or whatever they can find. Try common sense and balance for a chang
Answers: 14 hours ago
We arent the ones putting anyone down. Eat what you like. WE dont care We have been here a long time eating meat and if it werent good for us we would have died out eons ago. my question IS what gives anyone the MORAL right to criticize it?
ON WHAT MORAL BASIS?
And anyway we humans are naturally OMNIVORES not carnivores. Its all about balance. we cook our food NOW because we lost the enzymes and antibodies that helped us digest raw meat WHEN we learned to cook it
You are making my point for me. you are trying to deny the evolution of mankind and become a throwback to the chimps who live in trees because they have to graze ALL DAY LONG to get their sustainance. Feel free but dont drag the rest of us backward with you.
Meat provides efficient and complete protein so that we can eat LESS and do more with the time we have. It allowed us to grow mentally.
Evolution is a forward moving process but get left behind if you like. just leave us alone in the proces14 hours ago
adam and eve lasted how long as vegetarians? thats debatable. I saw nowhere in the bible that says he went to the wasroom either but he must have. OMISSION IS NOT CONDEMNATION14 hours ago
There is this concept called moderation. Even diabetics can eat 4 ounces of lean meat daily according to the a.m.a.
Where is your medical training?12 hours ago
I SEE NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEPT OF
moderation.
Heart disease is self induced by overindulgence. why does eating meat have to be equated with fat slovenly bums. THATS MY BIGGEST OBJECTION TO YOU ALL.
There are some fat pigs who eat no meat due to their religion. they are still lazy gluttonous lumps. they overdo sugar or potato chips or whatever they can find. Try common sense and balance for a chang What really gets me is the vegetarian sister of a friend of mine. She contstantly preaches against eating animals whenever she sees someone eating meat of any kind, but she wears leather shoes, leather belts, and carries leather purses. Where does she think leather comes from? A tree???? You are quite right. No one has the authority to tell anyone else they can't eat meat. I get so tired of the vegetarian's attitudes. Many seem to have a anti-society chip on their shoulder to start with, and being vegetarian is one way at lashing out to the public from a self imposed moral high ground. They are very critical people to begin with. I like Panda Bear, tastes like Bald Eagle. I am vegetarian and have my reasons for this.
Seeing all the criticism here, are meat eaters the ones with a problem?
Sure seem to be a lot in this category who try to justify themselves lately......
In answer to your question, our bodies cannot digest meat because our intestines are much shorter than carnivores, the Bible is open to interpretation and I am not even going there and it is murder.
If a carnivore kills to eat, that is how nature works. Can you hunt, kill and then eat an animal raw?
They certainly don't mass produce their prey, treat them cruelly all their lives and then mass slaughter them inhumanely do they?
Please, use your points wisely, this section is for people who are serious about getting advice and recipes, not for putting anyone down.......peace. In the Bible,the Garden of Eden,God's perfect world,was vegetarian,since nothing died.God gave us dominion over animals,dominion does not mean that you can do whatever you please or see fit with animals...the Queen of englend has dominion over her people,does that mean she can eat them or do whatever shes pleases to them?No.
Humans aren't great meat eaters...you can just see that by looking at the #1 killer in the US,heart diesease...and also strokes,colon cancer,diabetes,arthecelosis,e...
Lions and dogs are can ingest huge amounts of cholesterol,with noside effetcs such as heart diesease or arthecelosis.
We don't call whales or cats murderers,because they have to eat meat to survive,they would die if they didn't.I don't call people murderers either.
The moral basis for not eating animals is that they are sentient,they are capable of feeling pain and suffering.Surely you'd feel bad seeing a starving child or person lying in a hospital bed in pain.What makes you feel bad for that person?I'm sure it isn't because they can talk,I'm sure it isn't because they are intelligent,and I'm sure it just because they are a human,rather,I'm sure you'd feel bad because you have empathy for that person because you know they can feel pain and are capable of suffering...the same thing goes with animals,they are capable of feeling pain and suffering. If you don't care how we eat...then why are you posting things like this in the V&V section? I'm not going to try to change your mind in regards to your eating habbits, so stop trying to change my mind, especially in a section geared towards me. Here's some food for thought toward your reasoning, not mine.
If it is a custodian that you wish to call humans to animals......
Custodian is defined as: One who has custody of a thing or person; A GUARDIAN, KEEPER.
I am not aguing that meat is necessarily a moral descrepancy, only that if god gave us dominion over the animals... Maybe you should consider that frivolous destruction does not denote any aspect what-so-ever in modern day religion.
Pay close attention....
Evolutionary derives from evlolve. That strictly is confined to the adaption and change..... it simply means that the status quo is no longer acceptable in the advancement of a species. Change is required. If you compare our teeth that are derived for meat consumption, our K-9's seem to be in regression as there is no longer a use for them to puncture arteries of animals that we hunt in the wild. Have you notice that they are very short compared to other mammalians? There is an evolutionary aspect to think about. Why?
From a health perspective, Where do we derive diseases such as plaque build up in vessels and heart valves...... animal fat, maybe. How about diseases from animals? You can eat plants all your life and never have a worry about parasites from it. Animals on the other hand offer many diseases from indulging in their consumption. For instance,
Spongiform Encephalopathy, or CJD, is a prion only gained from meat that eats your brain to resemble swiss cheese. It is fatal and has come to exist soley from eating meat. That's right, We created the species jump from cows, where it's called "mad cow disease", to humans. Aren't you proud..... we did that; how lovely. There are also countless numbers of other diseases that constant meat consumption offers as a reward, such as almost any onset of heart disease that is diet related. Why do you think that while medicine has made advance after advance in the past thirty years..... heart disease has still grown with the population?
With all these things said.... I really have no moral ground to ask you to give up your place on the food chain.... just that you are risking your life to make a stubborn point. Would you feed your children a constant diet of meat knowing that as they grow older and continue "doing what daddy taught us" that you have in effect possibly put them in harms way....
Before you go off on a rant... listen to the reason, after all, you asked. Here you are well aware of the risk linked between meat and your heart and cardiovascular system... yet while you could be offering your children a healthy long life at least where the heart is concerned, you choose not to. You could set an example, that may or may not result in their health down the road, as well as your own, or you can continue to be stubborn and next time you look in their eyes ask yourself, what kind of risks am I teaching them. I mean, what's the big deal?
And as for the whale who eats the shrimp, or any other animal for that matter, I do not consider them to commit murder simply because they do not have the ability to feed themselves any other way; whereas humans do.
But I really don't care if you eat meat.... your thinking is illogical and your body is suffering because of it. In time, you will understand and I hope that when you do, it was worth your stubborness. The bible has nothing to do with my choice and I dont prescribe to such foolishness anyway...this is 2007..we have gone beyond wearing robes and sandels.
My teeth are nothing like that of a lion or a dog for that matter. If you are so convinced we are designed to tear animal flesh, then I would like you to prove this by hunting and killing prey by breaking it's neck with your teeth.
Who gives you authority to come into the Vegetarian section and preach your thoughts? This has nothing to do with you.
Animals that eat other animals NEED meat to survive....we don't.
Your theory is flawed and makes you sound silly. Moral Objection? Oh you want a moral Objection K The cruelty against the animals. Lots of people would be morally against someone finding a dog and stabbing it to have for soup. So, it is for that same reason.
I'm not telling you to do anything. Why is it you say that I am doing so.