Does anyone here know a strict, true vegan? You know, one that DOESN'T USE ANYTHING that's produced or derived!
The question is quite clear so can you please not go on a tangent?
Thanks.
Answers: from animals?
The question is quite clear so can you please not go on a tangent?
Thanks.
I would include myself.
Of course you already know this, but I believe that your view of veganism is quite warped and focused on pissing people off[good work by the way ;-)]and on a complete *tangent* from its actual meaning.
I do feel like dedicated people are few and far between. The first "vegan" that I met was always eating cheese at restaurants(and who knows what else at home) and the other ate cream cheese because it was free.
My view of veganism is based on reducing the suffering of animals.
Your view of it is based on making it seem as small, impractical and unpopular as possible......oh, and getting angry people to make themselves look foolish. LAWLZ
Ew, actually I take back the first part. I belong in a different group because I hate it when people say "I'm a vegan". It makes me nauseous and violent. It sounds so goddamned pretentious. I hate "vegan" used as a noun. That's where the stupid Vegan Society f*cked up right from the beginning.
*We are Vegans, the race of the future*
Fukkin disgusting
yes , me
ah, school's let out.
no, I don't. because they still use coal and oil, and those are made from dead dinosaurs.
yes, at least I think so. He ordered a veggie dog from me and asked me to hold the bread because there was something in there that was not vegan-friendly . He did drink beer, I assume it's ok to drink beer, there are certain kinds of beer he won't drink though. He is pale and fragile looking and his eyes are somewhat sunken in looking. I hope he is happy and healthy with his lifestyle choices, but he looks unhappy and unhealthy to me.
Me.
I know the other question was not directed at me, but...
I can my produce from the local supermarket. Occasionally, farmers markets and also my own garden.
Please clarify. Your question is NOT quite clear, considering I know of plenty of "true" vegans who do the least harm they can by not consuming animal products, purchasing animal tested products (aside from what's required by law), products with animal products in them, not supporting circuses, etc. But if you're going to get into the "well tires are made with animal products and you have a car" and "your computer has some animal parts in the plastic" and "true vegans live off the grid" then make it clear from the start that you're just instigating and not trying to get clarification on people who claim to be "dietary vegans" or something like that.
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The definition is: "..ways of living that seek to exclude, as far as is possible and practical, all forms of exploitation of animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
So yes, we DO exist. YOUR definition of Vegan, however, does not. Guess I'll follow the definition set by the people who actually coined the term.
It is not a 100% cruelty-free lifestyle, since you love absolutes. It is doing the least amount of harm that is practical and possible. There is a huge difference between me using a car or riding a bus with animal products in the tires and me choosing to eat a rack of ribs. It is not practical for most people to go without transportation of some sort, even if it's only a bike. If I had a choice between vegan tires and nonvegan tires, I would choose vegan. However there is no choice, and as I said, it's not feasible for most people to go sans transportation. Also, there is no choice when certain things are mandated by law to be tested on animals. There IS a choice between me picking my mascara that was tested on animals, or buying a cruelty-free version. I know you're purposely being stupid, so I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time or energy when i could be doing better things, like picking my ***, but whatever.
Yup, the jackrabbits that live in the field next to my house. Maybe the llamas the rancher has next door... but I don't know... you can't trust those shifty llamas.
Real Answer:
Since I live in an industrialized nation (and since everyone else is using a computer to post here they probably do too), I don't know of any "true" vegans. Then again, I don't know any vegans at all(when you live so far out in the country that a llama farm is next door, there probably aren't a lot of vegans around). Maybe some of the ascetics in India are true vegans... we should send them an email... oh... never mind... damn.
::edit:: I think it would be easier to be a true vegan way out in the country if you secluded yourself and lived in a hut... but otherwise you have to drive to damn much (i.e. I have to drive an hour to get to work... one way). Nothing is close. The nearest gas station is at least 10 miles away. The nearest grocery store is about 15-20 miles away.
Getting used to llamas was weird for a while. They sound like little kids screaming (seriously). Still not as creepy as raccoons at night. They sneak up on you and make sounds like the Jurassic Park velociraptors.
There is no such person. Mainly women are vegan, and mainly women buy Coach purses, which are made out of leather. I think its funny how its not good for them to eat it, but their purses, shoes, car seats, and everything else are made from leather.
I only know a handful personally that strictly follow all "rules" of being vegan.
No, it's impossible.
We are all alive on the planet and exist from the products of each other.
From yeasts to fertilizer to methane to petroleum to worms.
I could go on and on.
It's the true gaia principle.
I do know people who claim this.
But, unless I literally follow them around all day, how would I know. Would be quite easy if living 100% off the land etc., but everyone I know lives in the city...
In this day and age their is no such thing, Any one that claims to be a vegan is a filthy liar.
i'm sure they don't exsist... or if they do, they don't really intend to live that way...
I call my self vegan... but i still buy books ya know, and glue is used in the binding, and we all know where glue comes from...
but just because i buy stuff with glue doesn't mean you can disguard me without considering who i am and why i do what i do...
ADDED: just read all your additionals... seems your not out for real answers or constructive debate. You really do seem to want to p*ss people off, end of story!
I'm kinda new at this and i'm sure glue is only just a small part of it, i'm constantly finding out about new things i can't eat (as well as new things i can!). I find the word vegan is less and less usefull. In a restuarant it's an excuse for the waiters to lie to you, while in society "i'm a vegan", it's cause for alienation.
There aren't these silly words for non-racists or non-smokers... It's a shame we have to give our selves this silly label, sillyer still, when people tell me i have to call my self a strict veggie instead. I can just imagine the bizzare conversations explaining the variouse definitions to people...
vegan
vegitarian
ovo vegitarian
lacto vegitarian
ovo lacto vegitarian
strict vegitarian
and all the others
Makes it all look weirder than it actually is. I don't know why people look so hard for a reason to dismiss my logic in being vegan... and i don't know why anyone would be satisfied in dismissing me souly on the apparant hypocracy that comes from buying veg that's sprayed in manure or a book bound with glue
I have only had a run in with one "true vegan". I think you may remember my story about him, the sales rep who was ordered a vegetarian lunch and then got mad at me because it was a veggie sandwich and not vegan. Even though he marked veggie not vegan. Anyways, this is the same guy who went nuts and preached to people at this meeting about his veganism and then went out that night and drank tons of alcohol. I am sure most of it was not fermented the vegan way. BTW he worked at a medical device company that has to have all of their products tested on animals before they can get FDA clearance. Not too mention, he has to be part of seminars where surgeons have to "practice" with his devices on pig (swine) jaws before they can get certified to use this product.
Can you spell hypocrite? I guess it is okay when you make over 3 digits a year selling what he sold.