Are vegan and veggies blinded that people may not have access to the same food sources for them.?!
Answers: Many of the worlds population does not live within travelling distance of towns or cities that can support a vegan or veggie lifestyle but instead have to survive on the land around them. It it morally wrong of them to suggest that it is morally wrong of them to use animals as a source of food when they think it is morally ok for animals of certain kinds to eat other animals.
I used to be vegetarian until I couldn't afford it anymore.
Many vegans and vegetarians choose that diet because they don't agree with the methods used to kill these animals.
For instance, there are many farms that abuse their animals, keep them in cages with no space to move for their entire lives, etc.
That's why they don't like to eat meat.
But if you're living in a civilization where you do your own farming and there aren't many mass produced items, then for sure you kill for food.
But this way, the animals are not being abused. You're doing it for survival.
But if you live near a grocery store, there are plenty of foods you can purchase that will make for healthy and nutritious veggie meals.
What do they have to do with us? Majority of us do NOT need to eat animals. We choose to. People like Inuits, I can understand. Granted, they die at about 40-45... I digress.
I do not believe that all vegans and vegetarians are out there to try and make everyone stop eating meat. I have several friends who are vegetarians and none have acted like I was going to hell for it. Most of them are respectful of other's beliefs as they want people to be respectful of theirs. They may point out the benefits of a vegetarian lifestyle, but most won't knock the hamburger off your plate.
I think many vegetarians are vegetarians because they know not every one has the same access to food as they do. Many of them take into consideration that the resources, food and water it takes to raise an animal for eating is environmental unsustainable and could be better used to feed the world's starving.
im kinda like that, im in a tiny little village in the middle of now where with loads of farm land. but i manage quiete easily, in fact its possibly easier than most people, my nan lives on a farm and she grows loads of veggies and fruits that i can eat. i think that it would be naive of you to think that people would generally struggle to get veggie food, are you trying to justify your actions as a non-vegetarian?
You need vegetables, fruit, nuts and cereals to live on a vegetararian diet.
Sure, there are places where you cannot get those items but not many. Anyone who has access to this forum could probably live on a vegetarian diet if they wanted to. It can also be cheaper than meaty diets if you don't buy all that fake-meat stuff.
Many veggies don't care what others eat. I don't care if people eat meat. I do care that people do not want to take responsibility for the meat industry practices, many meateaters seem "blind" to what they pay for.
Its perfectly ok for other animals to eat other animals, its instinct, nature, and they know no different. Its not natural to cage animals up all thier lives for meat - there is nothing natural about that - thats what the difference is.
Meat-eaters constantly tell us "we are at the top of the food chain" etc. So why cannot we use that position of power to do right by the animals rather than exploiting them ?
I'm going to a farmers dinner thursday night, the other 30 farmers are beef, sheep and dairy. I wouldn't last 2 seconds if i behaved as many meat-eaters hear think veggies behave.
Its stereotyping nonsense
There are very few people who live in places that aren't close to vegan food souces. All supermarkets sell things like beans, nuts, grains and vegetables. If you're referring to some remote places that live a very basic lifestyle that require meat to survive like for example, extremely cold climates where crops don't grow then I can understand why they eat meat to survive.
Please don't assume that all vegs are blinded by their morals... I am perfectly aware that some cultures 'need' meat to survive because there are few alternatives but this doesn't apply to most people and there probably isn't one person in the developed world that doesn't have access to a veg diet.
if they have the resources to feed an animal to eat, then they have the resources for a vegetarian diet. if however they are hunting wild animals to survive, then thats just it. when its about survival all bets are off. i dont think youll find a single veg*n who would morally judge someone who is eating meat to survive when there are few other food sources.
people who have access to the internet, however, more than likely arent struggling to survive somewhere in the wild. when you have the resources to choose to live a healthy vegetarian diet i think is when some veg*ns might see you (as a general term) morally in the wrong, though i dont know any vegetarians who would rant and carry on at you. vegetarianism is about choice, i choose this diet. my boyfriend has chosen differently, and while we sometimes talk about vegetarianism and animal rights, i have never tried to make him go veg*n and he has never tried to make me eat meat.
im sorry if you have the wrong idea about veg*ns or had a bad experience with one, but please dont think that the loud crazy people represent the rest of us.
I've never been an advocate of "the whole world being vegetarian or vegan". I know that's impossible. With millions of people literally starving to death, they do not have the luxury to choose what they will and will not eat. It's all important and necessary from a nutritional standpoint.
Moreover, I know that there is a large disparity in the United Sates regarding the choices that are around for vegetarians and vegans. Some areas of the country do not have the products and foods that are common to that particular diet; again, making that argument ridiculous.
I happen to live in a land of excess and options and I am very blessed that I have the opportunity to choose what I eat.
Who says we think the whole world should make the same choice we did? I'm fully aware that veganism is a something of a luxury, afforded to people who have access to a wide array of plant foods. I don't pass judgement on someone who, due to poverty or geographical isolation, must use animals to survive. By and large, these populations are not engaging in factory farming. They are not pumping animals full of hormones, steroids and anitbiotics. They are not routinely debeaking chickens so they can stuff them in a cage with six others. Personally, I chose veganism not just for the animals, but to do what little I can to alleviate human hunger as well. It's the developed world's insatiable appetite for cheap beef that is driving the destruction of Central America's rainforest and is pushing native populations off fertile land so that they must try to sustain themselves on poorer quality land. And whether not not it's OK for humans to eat meat has NOTHING to do with what other animals do. Nature designed some animals to be carnivores and they MUST eat meat to survive; a lion would die without meat even with a buffet of plant foods available to him.
Some probably are. I think it depends at least in part on why they're veg/vegan.
Many of us don't believe it's morally wrong to each meat, but just choose not to ourselves. As such, we such we would of course have no problem with it.
T. Colin Campbell, author of the incredibly provacative and life-changing The China Study (full list of credentials below) wrote about how he was very active in programs that dealt with starving countries and at the time they really pushed for these people to get animal protein and raise animals for food. Then they figured out that these people weren't having the success that they had hoped for and incidents of disease went up! Through much research Campbell and his colleagues have discovered that plant protein is the best protein and animal proteins can kill you! Don't take my word for it. Read the China Study. If you ignore this kind of research done by people with these kinds of credentials, well, then you're just in denial. Instead of teaching people to raise goats we should be teaching people how to farm. It is what is best for them.And for the records its okay for animals of certain kinds to eat other animals when Nature means for them to eat animals and not okay when Nature makes them get heart disease, cancer, and diabetes when they eat other animals. Pretty logical, don't you think?
And for the record, people who dont' have access to Boca burgers and processed crap can still be vegans, you know. You can grow fruits and veggie and grains nearly everywhere you can raise animals.
T Colin Campbell
Jacob Gould Schurman Professor Emeritus
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Biographical Statement
T. Colin Campbell, who was trained at Cornell (M.S., Ph.D.) and MIT (Research Associate) in nutrition, biochemistry and toxicology, spent 10 years on the faculty of Virginia Tech's Department of Biochemistry and Nutrition before returning to the Division of Nutritional Sciences at Cornell in 1975 where he presently holds his Endowed Chair (now Emeritus).
His principal scientific interests, which began with his graduate training in the late 1950's, has been on the effects of nutritional status on long term health, particularly on the causation of cancer. He has conducted original research both in laboratory experiments and in large-scale human studies; has received over 70 grant-years of peer-reviewed research funding (mostly NIH), has served on several grant review panels of multiple funding agencies, has lectured extensively, and has authored over 300 research papers.
Noteable Accomplishments:
Recently published the book titled: *The China Study. Startling Implications for Diet, Weight Loss and Long-Term Health (2005)*. This book is now a national best seller and has been translated into 10 languages and distribution shows no signs of slowing down. In fact, its sales continue to climb and some in the publishing world are suggesting that it is going to have a very long life of several years.
Coordinated a USAID-supported technical assistance program for a nationwide nutrition program for malnourished pre-school age children in the Philippines (1966-74)
Organized and directed a multi-national project responsible for nationwide surveys of diet, lifestyle and mortality in the People's Republic of China (1983-present)
Co-author and member of National Academy of Science's expert panels on saccharin carcinogenicity (1978); food safety policy (1978-79); diet, nutrition and cancer (1981-82); research recommendations on diet, nutrition and cancer (1982-83); and food labeling policy (1989-1990)
Organizer and Co-Chair (but listed as Senior Science Advisor) of the World Cancer Research Fund/American Institute for Cancer Research report on international diet and cancer recommendations (1993-1997)
Principal witness for the National Academy of Sciences in two Federal Trade Commission hearings on issues concerning product-specific health claims (1984-1986)
Visiting Scholar at the Radcliffe Infirmary, University of Oxford/England (1985-1986)
Senior Science Advisor for the American Institute for Cancer Research/World Cancer Research Fund (1983-1987, 1992-1997)
Holds an Honorary Professorship at the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine.
Board of Directors of the Chinese Institute of Nutritional Sciences, the government’s leading institution responsible for nutrition research and policy in China. He is the recipient of several awards, both in research and citizenship.
In summary, he has conducted original research investigation both in experimental animal and human studies, and has actively participated in the development of national and international nutrition policy.
Current Professional Activities.
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
International Nutrition Society
Sigma Xi
Current Research Activities
Relationship of diet, nutrition and chronic degenerative disease etiology; nutritional effects on carcinogen and foreign compound metabolism; aflatoxin/liver cancer relationships; risk assessment and chemical toxicity
Education
Ph.D. 1962 - Cornell University, Nutrition, Biochemistry, Microbiology
M.S. 1957 - Cornell University, Nutrition, Biochemistry
B.S. 1956 - Penn State, Pre-Vet Med
Related Websites
http://www.thechinastudy.com
Bullshit. I've been a vegan since conception and lived in a tiny Bible-belt town in Kentucky most of my life.
Secondly, animals eat other animals in the wild for surivival. Humans don't have to, because we have resources allowing us to abstain from meat-eating.
Third, the animals that are killed in the wild aren't tortured their whole lives.
This is just the veggie holier than thou mentality.