Why do vegans think they are morally superior to other people? Even vegetarians in some cases?!
What's so wrong about milk, eggs, honey and cheese? What's so terrible about bone char? They are just making use of the whole animal. That's being wise and respectful of the animal's sacrifice. I agree with you on the fur if it's just for fur or leather. But, if my husband or dad kills a deer or bear, and we use all the meat down to the bladders and bones, what's so wrong with processing the hides and making blankets?
Are you better than the Inuit, Tlingit, Chinook, Eskimo...etc whose diets are largely meat? What would you suggest to these people? To go vegan? In a traditional environment for their culture, how could they survive in such a harsh climate on such a diet? Where would they grow vegetables? How could they self-sustain without meat? Are they wrong as all of hell in your opinion for their culture?
Just curious.
Answers: Why is this? Why do some of you claim a lofty moral high ground regarding your dietary choices and the "ethics" that go along with it?
What's so wrong about milk, eggs, honey and cheese? What's so terrible about bone char? They are just making use of the whole animal. That's being wise and respectful of the animal's sacrifice. I agree with you on the fur if it's just for fur or leather. But, if my husband or dad kills a deer or bear, and we use all the meat down to the bladders and bones, what's so wrong with processing the hides and making blankets?
Are you better than the Inuit, Tlingit, Chinook, Eskimo...etc whose diets are largely meat? What would you suggest to these people? To go vegan? In a traditional environment for their culture, how could they survive in such a harsh climate on such a diet? Where would they grow vegetables? How could they self-sustain without meat? Are they wrong as all of hell in your opinion for their culture?
Just curious.
I beleive it is for the same reason people who say they are doing something to "save the environment" and "reduce global warming" act morally superior. Overall these people view humans as a problem on this planet.
P.S. Scotch: If I ate only fruit for a week, I'd let go of something, but not what you mean.
They are legends in their own minds.
They are better than you.
iv personally never thought i am in any way "superior" to anybody else. in some ways i could see why people would say that vegetarians and vegans are more caring of others, but i just see it as a difference of interests, i think eating meat is wrong, but i also understand that i do things that other people would consider as wrong, so we're all equal really.
i think some vegans/vegetarians are - but same goes for non-smokers vs smokers - either side always think they're right - and THEIR way is the only way.
eat what u like.
do what u like.
who cares what others think.
i agree with you wholeheartedly
i think we should send all vegans to live with the inuits for a month see how they get along
its just another life style choice by pampered middle class people who have forgottten there is still a " real " world out there
all the best
Ian
This is the same line of thinking as mine.....many cultures that survived and have been revered use animals in their daily lives. I think that vegan extremists (I know you're not all that way) forget that there are plenty of farmers who do treat their animals well. I do also think alot of vegans (myself included 10 years ago) do it as a bandwagon type thing and as an easy way to feel like they are on a higher social plateau.
Very good questions! I can't wait to see some Vegan answers. I'm not a vegan, but its obvious to me that some of them fall into the same trap that many other people do. It just feels so good to the average human to look down on others. Some people have a hard time avoiding that. Its takes maturity to respect other beliefs systems and cultures. Alot of people would rather hate on people who are different from them.
Confused hypocrites that are selfishly scrambling for something right in their life when they get other things wrong.
The funniest thing is seeing a "vegan" put away a plate of french fries, fried of all things in animal fat - probably the least healthy food of all - and smirk that they are "healthier" for not eating animal products. It's a joke.
You are so right! How many people/cultures through this world's vast history were vegan? I can't think of any. I also think it's interesting that some people call themselves "vegetarian" just because they don't eat red meat or chicken, yet they still eat other animal based foods that you've mentioned such as eggs, cheese, milk, and even fish. In addition, even "vegans" wear shoes made out of leather, buy purses and jackets made out of leather, etc. If you ask me, that's just hipocritical!
Where have you met the vegans you describe? I've never heard a vegan, on this forum or anywhere else, suggest that Inuits should go vegan,
Then again I don't often hear vegans claiming the moral high ground either; on this forum one of the things you read most often is the phrase 'I don't care what YOU eat...' .
I'm a vegan, and there are certainly people who I would consider my moral superiors who eat meat. There's more to morality than what you eat and wear.
You've based your opinion on what you ASSUME vegans think and feel.
its easy. when u decide what is moraly corect and not u automaticaly become superior. great isn't it.
yours is simply a case of being the judgemental person in this whole issue, not vegans. You are discriminating against people who choose to eat a certain diet and just because they do, it is not right to assume they are judging you because you haven't...you obviously have feelings of guilt about this issue. Eat only fruit for a week and maybe your mind will expand and you can let go of your judgements
I doubt you even know any vegans.I know plenty of omnivores who feel morallly superior to cultures and people that "allegedly" eat dogs and cats.
edit:So,you know three vegans and you feel that it's safe to say that we're all condescending and preachy?
It's often the case with those who practice self-denial...
whether dietary or religious, same thing.
3 vegans is not enough of a cross-section on which to base such sweepng statements.
How would you feel if i based my entire view on meat-eaters on 3 people ?
Its at the point of your definition of "wise and respectful" that views start to seperate.
To a vegan ( and vegetarian ), rearing and killing animals is neither wise nor respectful.
Generally vegans do not criticise people who's survival depends on meat. They are critical of people who support the western meat industry.
Every one in the western world can survive on a vegan or vegetarian diet so its pointless trying to drag "Inuit, Tlingit, Chinook, Eskimo" into it, they live a different life.
EDIT:
There is nothing related to "You allow your moral high horse to do all the talking, not rational thoughts" in my answer. You are reading stuff into my words that is not there. Just because i disagree with you, you assume i think I'm morally superior. thats a bit odd, where did i ever say that ?
I don't care if you don't take me seriously. Your phrasing does suggest YOU think you are better than us, thats a tad hypocrytical of you.
So I suppose we are all supposed to give up our morals and ethical values because you just went on a rant. Right now all your question does is display that you believe you are morally superior to vegetarians. Live and let live and stop trying to press your beliefs on others. What are you so threatened by? Why do you feel you need to post this? You are not 'just curious" because in actuality there are vegetarians in those areas of the world and you can find that out by doing some basic research on the internet. Your real motives behind this are to simply provoke people. Give it up and press on with your life. No one is holding a gun to your head and you still have free will.
I could care less if you would save my life. That has no stance in this particular situation and is therefore irrelevant. Don't try to humanize your already insulting rant. You've already made it apparent that you have no care or concern for those whose morals oppose yours or should I say lack of morals.
This is funny, you claimed to be a vegan the other day. Hmmmm, I believe a smell a troll folks!
You are obviously immoral.
I think its a delusion brought on by not enough animal products in their food.
and the raw ones, well, there was an episode of house where a woman's raw rye grains caused hallucinations, so...
whoah! look what pot is calling the kettle black.
hummmm... time to look at yourself from the inside out and then put things into perspective.
(thus also how does this query benefit people at this site????)
Why do so many meat eaters (and some vegetarians) have such a problem with being morally inferior to those who are smart enough and strong enough to eliminate all flesh, dairy, and eggs from their diet?
If you want to eat that crap then go for it. As of right now it is legal to do so. But please stop deluding yourself and thinking that you are not below people like me on the evolutionary ladder, dear.
To be ignorant of the facts is one thing. To have looked into healthier and less cruel ways of eating and then scoff at them and turn your back is quite another.
As for communities that live in environments where they live almost entirely on meat, well, they play the price, don't they? Inuit men live to about 62. Or, they can consider the fact that we are smart enough to live in other ways now, ADVANCED more EVOLVED ways and use the technology that our superior intelligence has created and move away from their unhealthy diet. Ever hear of a greenhouse? Hyrdroponics? Do you think these people live in igloos? No, they live in homes with electricity. There are alternatives, you dolt. And the OTHER alternative is to keep living on blubber and die early. Eventually Mother Nature will make them extinct.
The fact that you have to ask what is wrong with milk shows how uninformed you are. Maybe you should save these kinds of rants for AFTER you do a little research...ya think?
Read The China Study and learn about the research that has been done to link milk protein with cancer and heart disease and a host of other diseases. Educate yourself on how dairy animals are treated and how the veal industry was created as a result of the dairy industry. Get a clue about battery farms and the TERRIBLE abuse chickens endure. Maybe read up on how bad cholesterol is for you and how our bodies were not dezsigned to deal with added cholesterol from our diets. If I were you I'd wait until you knew more about this whole subject before you go spouting off and trying to argue about something you clearly know nothing about.
P.S. Please don't try and make an arguement for industries supported by animal by-products by citing that your daddy uses all the parts of the animals he hunts. That's pretty weak and just does not follow.
And someone who has taken the time to learn about nutrition probably isn't going to be using a chemical sweetener like Splenda, FYI.
You seem up for a fight! Maybe all that red meat has you feisty!
Its a shame that vegans/vegetarians you know or have come accross online have coloured your opinion so much! I dont think thats typical but I know what you are talking about.
I think some of 'us' are 'preachy' 'cos we see the benefits of a wholefood diet very clearly and see the industry of death with food very clearly. Its a different mind set .
Youre not from a city area and so are linked to the land but most people are far removed from where their food comes from and are blind to the reality of death.
I believe if most people saw how their sandwich filling was raised and killed then they would lose their appetite fairly fast!
There is no contention that a vegan and vegetarian diet is very healthful and no contention that a diet rich in red meat unhealthful (ask Oprah she took the texan ranchers to court and won on this topic).
Traditional cultures are what they are and the illnesses and diseases that all of our different cultures have are largely linked to diet and health.
The Irish only ate potatoes in the 1800's...why?Thats all they had 'cos the English sold the rest of the crop for money. If there was a 'subway' in 1840 in Ireland do you think they would have foregone a sandwich 'cos it wasnt their traditional diet? I dont think so...the native cultures eat what they eat 'cos they have to. End of. If they had a choice they would eat differently.
And yes dieticians do advise governments of diets of the populace..think about the caribbeans and the pacific islanders and the american diet!
Diets are encouraged to change, even of traditional peoples, it happens all the time, its happening today.Why? Because we are better informed.
I live in the Caribbean and its in the 80's today so maybe thats also why I am in a better mood than you (my baked potato and beans for lunch was fabulous!)
I have been Vegan for 10 years and have never thought of myself as being superior to anybody else. I have never been preachy, in fact, most people I come into contact with on a regular basis (aka at work) have no idea I am Vegan.
I wouldn't suggest the Inuit or any other indigenous peoples go Vegan. They eat meat out of necessity...hunting WILD animals. We eat meat out of convenience, even though we can get by without it, and raise animals in factory farms, far from their natural habitats. It is a completly different story.
Come on people...lets live and let live. We all make different choices in out lives...make peace with that
why do people feel that they are morally superior to anyone? live your lives as you want and leave people whos beliefs clash with your own alone. people with such a "holier then thou" attitude make me sick.
You should become educated about the dairy and pultry industries before you absurdly state that there's nothing wrong with it.
Secondly, it doesn't matter if you use all the parts. Killing animals when it's totally unnecessary is wrong. Period. Vegans claim to be morally superior because they are.