For all vegans who fundamentalisticaly claim that meat, and fat, is bad foy your body (details)?!
I respect your beliefs, but they are just that, beliefs, with a whole community of healthy meat eaters as anecdotal evidence for the contrary.
Sources:
http://www.newscientist.com/backpage.ns?...
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/old...
http://www.karlloren.com/human-raw-meat-...
No veggies NEEDED
For the ones who dont eat meat because you think killing animals is wrong, you may rant at me only when you stop driving your car and eating blood-soaked wheat (animals get killed during haversting season, with all the machinery going around) , as well as other actions which endanger animal life
Answers: How do inuit people, who rely solely on meat and fats to live, have such a low heart disease rate, and an overall healthy body? I mean, fast food may be junk, but meat!?
I respect your beliefs, but they are just that, beliefs, with a whole community of healthy meat eaters as anecdotal evidence for the contrary.
Sources:
http://www.newscientist.com/backpage.ns?...
http://www.scienceblog.com/community/old...
http://www.karlloren.com/human-raw-meat-...
No veggies NEEDED
For the ones who dont eat meat because you think killing animals is wrong, you may rant at me only when you stop driving your car and eating blood-soaked wheat (animals get killed during haversting season, with all the machinery going around) , as well as other actions which endanger animal life
Your links are pretty weak. Is that the extent of your research? These accusatory questions in this section are really getting old. Here's my answer to a similar question that was asked a week ago:
Many Inuit people eat a standard western diet these days, FYI.
The TRADITIONAL Inuit diet consists of nearly 50% animal FAT. Keep in mind this animal fat is very, very different than the kind of animal fat you're going to get from your butcher's meat case.
"Wild-animal fats are different from both farm-animal fats and processed fats, says Dewailly. Farm animals, cooped up and stuffed with agricultural grains (carbohydrates) typically have lots of solid, highly saturated fat. Much of our processed food is also riddled with solid fats, or so-called trans fats, such as the reengineered vegetable oils and shortenings cached in baked goods and snacks. “A lot of the packaged food on supermarket shelves contains them. So do commercial french fries,” Dewailly adds.
Trans fats are polyunsaturated vegetable oils tricked up to make them more solid at room temperature. Manufacturers do this by hydrogenating the oils—adding extra hydrogen atoms to their molecular structures—which “twists” their shapes. Dewailly makes twisting sound less like a chemical transformation than a perversion, an act of public-health sabotage: “These man-made fats are dangerous, even worse for the heart than saturated fats.” They not only lower high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL, the “good” cholesterol) but they also raise low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL, the “bad” cholesterol) and triglycerides, he says. In the process, trans fats set the stage for heart attacks because they lead to the increase of fatty buildup in artery walls.
Wild animals that range freely and eat what nature intended, says Dewailly, have fat that is far more healthful. Less of their fat is saturated, and more of it is in the monounsaturated form (like olive oil). What’s more, cold-water fishes and sea mammals are particularly rich in polyunsaturated fats called n-3 fatty acids or omega-3 fatty acids. These fats appear to benefit the heart and vascular system. But the polyunsaturated fats in most Americans’ diets are the omega-6 fatty acids supplied by vegetable oils. By contrast, whale blubber consists of 70 percent monounsaturated fat and close to 30 percent omega-3s, says Dewailly."
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inu...
This is also interesting (from the same article):
"What the diet of the Far North illustrates, says Harold Draper, a biochemist and expert in Eskimo nutrition, is that there are no essential foods—only essential nutrients. And humans can get those nutrients from diverse and eye-opening sources.
One might, for instance, imagine gross vitamin deficiencies arising from a diet with scarcely any fruits and vegetables. What furnishes vitamin A, vital for eyes and bones? We derive much of ours from colorful plant foods, constructing it from pigmented plant precursors called carotenoids (as in carrots). But vitamin A, which is oil soluble, is also plentiful in the oils of cold-water fishes and sea mammals, as well as in the animals’ livers, where fat is processed. These dietary staples also provide vitamin D, another oil-soluble vitamin needed for bones. Those of us living in temperate and tropical climates, on the other hand, usually make vitamin D indirectly by exposing skin to strong sun—hardly an option in the Arctic winter—and by consuming fortified cow’s milk, to which the indigenous northern groups had little access until recent decades and often don’t tolerate all that well.
As for vitamin C, the source in the Eskimo diet was long a mystery. Most animals can synthesize their own vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, in their livers, but humans are among the exceptions, along with other primates and oddballs like guinea pigs and bats. If we don’t ingest enough of it, we fall apart from scurvy, a gruesome connective-tissue disease. In the United States today we can get ample supplies from orange juice, citrus fruits, and fresh vegetables. But vitamin C oxidizes with time; getting enough from a ship’s provisions was tricky for early 18th- and 19th-century voyagers to the polar regions. Scurvy—joint pain, rotting gums, leaky blood vessels, physical and mental degeneration—plagued European and U.S. expeditions even in the 20th century. However, Arctic peoples living on fresh fish and meat were free of the disease.
Impressed, the explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson adopted an Eskimo-style diet for five years during the two Arctic expeditions he led between 1908 and 1918. “The thing to do is to find your antiscorbutics where you are,” he wrote. “Pick them up as you go.” In 1928, to convince skeptics, he and a young colleague spent a year on an Americanized version of the diet under medical supervision at Bellevue Hospital in New York City. The pair ate steaks, chops, organ meats like brain and liver, poultry, fish, and fat with gusto. “If you have some fresh meat in your diet every day and don’t overcook it,” Stefansson declared triumphantly, “there will be enough C from that source alone to prevent scurvy.”"
Humans are a very adaptive species. I mean, we've been living on animal proteins for a long, long time even though it's really not ideal for our health. What's really fascinating is that the closer we get to an ideal diet (a strict vegetarian diet) incidents of disease go way, way down and people tend to live much longer. The farther we get from that ideal diet the more disease occurs and the younger people die. The Inuits, although they can subsist on a traditional Inuit diet high in fat and without the rest of the foods that we would consider necessary for a balanced diet, are known for having many more health problems and the average life expectancy for an Inuit male is only 62. This is hardly a good arguement for continuing to eat a diet high in fat and lacking in veggies!
vegetarians are mentally weak people for thinking eating meat is bad cuz animals are killed in the process. many vegetarians are somewhat anorexic.
hey- im vegitarian!
GO VEGGIE!!!!!
I'm sure you'll get alot of vegetarian responses saying that they don't live long because of this. Their short life expectancy hardly has anything to do with their diet. Its due to high rates of infant mortality, fatal child accidents, suicide, and tobacco use. Besides, the fats they do eat are a lot healthier than the kind of fats we eat.
good one, me. cuz we all know that veggies always get their info from unbiased sources, right?
Supercalifundamentalisticalydocious, even though the sound of it is something quite precocious.......
Couldn't resist :-)
I'm not a veger but I'll give you the standard answer, "Your websites and research are biased and probably funded by the meat industry."
You are quite right, there are cultures that are only meat-eaters (such as the Inuit) and they are very healthy.
But when I eat meat I feel heavy, tired, sluggish, and have no energy.
When I choose not to eat meat, fish, or poultry, I have more energy, my skin is clearer, I feel more fit and alertm and I don't need as much sleep to feel rested.
So whether its just a "belief" of mine, or it is true for me, what difference does it make? I feel better when I don't eat meat.
Personally, I don't "fundamentalisticaly (??) claim that meat and fat is bad foy your body" - I know it isn't good for ME.
I chose vegetarianism for health reasons only. And it had nothing to do with killing animals.
The place for Vegans is near to what ails them. I mean people who have to turn to being vegetarians do so because of a weight factor (overweight) or some unbalanced body illness, The need for proper fat contents and the other meat ingredients that our ancestors hunted for can be substituted by certain vegetables. Not all but most.
It now seems that a certain amount of fish, chicken or meat is necessary for a well balanced healthy body.
Spartawo...
You hit on the problem of "wannabe" veg*ns that you find especially on here and in modern societies. They essentially are so driven by an agenda that they can't deal with execptions. I truly believe they are mostly obsessive-compulsive and anti-socials looking for a cause. They are fundamentally incapable of independent thought or critical thinking.
Many are teens who tend towards following any new fad without thinking. Not all teens are airheads, but many of them on the V&V forum are.
You example of the Inuits are good ones. Inuit culture is not a front for the meat industry. Let's face it veggies don't grow on the freaking frozen tundras where they live. Inuits are as close to being exclusively carnivorous as human beings can get, solely because of geography, which also points to the marvelous adaptability of the human body.
Great question .. let's see how the crazies answer it.
Jenasaurus eats meat on the down low. She's on your grill, B...stealing your steaks...
In our cushioned lifestyle we do not need meats to live, we can simply survive on the many vegetarian options around us. I'm okay with people out in Africa and those underdeveloped countries eating meat because they need to. We don't need to be eating meat. We give some ridiculous percent of our drinking water to animals that we farm to slaughter later. Why do you think we're having all these droughts?
In the U.S. the majority of us DO NOT need to eat meat because in our lifestyle we can live comfortably without it. The food chain exists in animals that actually eat their food raw and catch it instead of going to the grocery store and picking it up. If we were still out in the wilderness without all our gas guzzling cars, sure, we'd need to eat meat to survive. NOT TODAY.
These people need the meat, or more like the blubber of their animals to survive their habitat. In addition, these people probably engage in a lifestyle that burns more calories. But the conditions of these people are not too similar to the typical American. In fact, the kind of meat they eat is very different and they eat it for different reasons. You can not make a safe or sound comparison of the Inuit to the typical American meat-eater. And I think a vegetarian is healthier than these people anyways. I think the comparison does not include vegetarians.
Once you start to compare the health of a typical meat-eater to a typical vegetarian, you will see more valid differences because these two groups have the same environment, access to exercise, and access to healthcare. And then you can compare the death rates from the top 3 causes of death in the US (Heart disease, Cancer, and stroke) among vegetarians and meat-eaters. This comparison is far more valid when the issue is eating meat.
I understand your argument was about Inuit meat eaters being healthy, but that is in comparison to a largely unhealthy meat-eating American population. If these studies compared vegetarians to the Inuit, you would have data supporting your point, but then again, I doubt you would find it.
You make a great point. Meat is not bad for your body. All the purebred veggieheads will tell you different.
Discount jena's answers, she is not a vegan, just a wannabe.
why are u trying to disguise a statement as a question, obviously you have ur mind made up and no amount of logic will change it. and why are all the meat eating wierdos congregating on the v&v forum? bizzare. i keep seeing these crazy out of control statements by this "meg" person, im a vegan and entering vet school, if i didnt know to critically think i wouldnt have made it past 2nd year university. ur obviously one of those people who has balls when they are hiding behind their computer. she seems really angry inside, she needs to eat a carrot, maybe the one thats stuck in her bum.
THE INUIT ALSO DIE FIFTEEN YEARS BEFORE OTHER CANADIANS.
The only one who is ranting is you, my irrational little darling. Are you really that insecure about your own lifestyle? A meat-eater shouldn't lecture vegans on how cruelty-free their lifestyles are, unless they expect to be laughed at.
MEEEEAAAAT YEAAAH THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT BRO'
i think vegans and vegetarians and peta folks and whatever are just too fricken obsessive. like yea...i guess it is sad that animals are killed and **** but come on!!! its called the food chain people!!!