Since I have now suitably assessed that the average vegan is no better than the average omni... one query??!
Is it the title? THE acclaim?? The feeling of worhtiness, self righteousness and superiority??? Is that why you do it? Be honest. Please do note, I have NEVER rubbed my diet in anyone's face here, but countless vegans (namely mike H and Vegansaurus hex) have done so not only to me, but every omni worldwide.
What do you stand to gain? People are eating tons of meat globally right now, and your protests/omittances/ethical stances are not even putting a remarkable dent in things. You persist only at the cost of your own health (if your diet is poorly researched and funded) and also, the ridicule/and/or alienation from your peers. That latter point is a lesser one, because most adults can care less what their peers think, but I state that for the kids this mainly pertains to.
And if you still wager you are better than the lot of us meat eaters, please include your math/logic/figures. I'd love to see how it all adds up. Afterall, veggies kill millions of uneaten animals.
Answers: Why??
Is it the title? THE acclaim?? The feeling of worhtiness, self righteousness and superiority??? Is that why you do it? Be honest. Please do note, I have NEVER rubbed my diet in anyone's face here, but countless vegans (namely mike H and Vegansaurus hex) have done so not only to me, but every omni worldwide.
What do you stand to gain? People are eating tons of meat globally right now, and your protests/omittances/ethical stances are not even putting a remarkable dent in things. You persist only at the cost of your own health (if your diet is poorly researched and funded) and also, the ridicule/and/or alienation from your peers. That latter point is a lesser one, because most adults can care less what their peers think, but I state that for the kids this mainly pertains to.
And if you still wager you are better than the lot of us meat eaters, please include your math/logic/figures. I'd love to see how it all adds up. Afterall, veggies kill millions of uneaten animals.
I don't know... I belong to PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) and therefore don't understand vegans. I do know that every last civil war veteran that ate carrots have died, and everyone right now that eats celery will die also.
Mental deficiencies like veganism are best accepted rather than explained.
Because I feel like it. I think that eating meat is not only gross but unethical. Here's a thought: Do you eat human flesh? If you do not eat human meat, why do you not eat it? At one time people in all parts of the world were cannibals, what's wrong with that? Can you prove that it's bad?
"People are eating tons of meat globally right now, and your protests/omittances/ethical stances are not even putting a remarkable dent in things."
ROFL!!! That's your argument? You think that we should eat meat because people are eating tons of meat globally? If people were eating tons of sh,i,t globally, would you do it too?
"You persist only at the cost of your own health (if your diet is poorly researched and funded) and also, the ridicule/and/or alienation from your peers."
My health is just fine...my peers don't ridicule anything I do, nor do they alienate me. You must live in a different world.
"And if you still wager you are better than the lot of us meat eaters, please include your math/logic/figures."
Who ever wagered anything? I think that people have the freedom to do whatever they want. I don't think less of them.
A lifestyle choice does not make one human better than the othere. It should simply mean a rich culturally diverse society. However, when one side ( and I would not specify who) chooses to feel superior over another simply because of some personal choice, then problems are ineveitable. Vegans/vegetarians are for the most part, converts. And there are no more fanatics than converts. Fanatics tend to lecture about the virtues of the choice they have made to justify it both for themselves and for those who will criticise them. Look at nazi germany. the nazis go into their heads the fantastic idea that they are superior than everybody else simply because of their race. They came up with all those "scientific" evidence to prove their claims. Now vegheads are probably not going to invade Poland anytime soon, but world dominance( that "everybody on earth should be a vegan" mantra is a giveaway) is not far from their minds. But we all know what happened to nazis don't we?
There is a more important issue that will follow all of us.... a pound of meat requires a lot more resources to create it than a pound of vegetable protein...
The long term problem is that we will not have the resources to feed the population meat... meat production is not sustainable. We will have to reduce our meat consumption.
Henry Ford was an advocate of soybeans & peanuts... the early Ford cars were painted with a soybean based paint... even some of the "plastic" parts of the car were made from soybean by products. The point is that we can do better.
".... consider that it takes 12 times the acreage to raise one pound of beef as it does to raise one pound of grain, the relationship between the health of our planet and veganism become clear. Not only does cattle raising (the same is also true with the raising of any other meat--poultry, pork, fish, etc...) require tremendous amount of natural resources, many of them non-renewable, such fresh water and fossil fuel, it also pollutes the environment. In the US, it is telling that the cattle population exceeds the human population by many times, resulting in a very real problem with waste removal--mountains of dung need to be disposed of. Thanks to antibiotics, hormones, and other chemicals that are fed to cattle to increase yield and control diseases which are the result of crammed quarters and unnatural conditions that the cattle are subjected to, cattle manure also poses a direct challenge to our health and well-being, because the nitrates in cattle wastes get into our rivers, lakes, and ground water, contaminating a precious resource. We are using up this natural resource at an unsustainable pace and polluting what is left. This can only result in a global disaster."
Raw Veganism & Protein Myth
by Touch with excerpts from Dr. Walker's Diet & Salad
http://www.rawganique.com/RawForLife4.ht...
lemme guess, you think global warming is a myth too? because I've met people like you who said "who cares whether you drive an energy efficient car or an SUV, it barely makes a dent in the carbon dioxide concentration globally". that's totally beside the point. Every man, woman and child can make a difference.
i am a vegan to save my soul.
according to mercyforanimals.org (a website I recommend you check out if you would like a lovely account of why being a vegan can actually make a world of difference) by not eating meat this year, I will save an average of 95 animals. you may not consider that a remarkable dent, but to those 95 animals, my decision not to savor in the juices of their death wounds is everything.
I am still rather perplexed by your statement "afterall, veggies kill millions of uneaten animals" does this mean that you think we are responsible for the deaths of the animals whose meat goes to waste? because that would be a violation of basic principles of supply and demand- (for if there is a decline in the demand for meat that is readily available, there will be less of a supply of that meat in the future so that it doesn't go to waste, meaning that less animals will be slaughtered in the future) and furthermore, choosing not to eat meat that goes to waste doesn't mean that one is responsible for the death of the animal- the slaughterhouse is responsible for the death of the animal.
i don't even believe in souls, i am an atheist. but the expression "i am a vegan to save my soul" is the only expression i can think of that accurately captures the level of infinite responsibility i feel in not causing the suffering and deaths of billions of animals this year.
i don't think i am better than you, i just think i am more compassionate than you. if you can maintain your meat-eating position after carefully reading the material on the mercyforanimals.org website, or watching PETA's video "meet your meat", then you just lack compassion and an understanding of the suffering of animals. if you aren't affected by the images of the animals in laboratories, fur farms, and slaughterhouses, then there is absolutely no sense for any vegan to try reasoning with you to change your mind. However, if you are affected by those images, you need to seriously contemplate the relationship with what you eat and your own moral sensibilities. you might just start to understand where a lot of us "veggies" are coming from.
(one more thing, as for you comment about beinga vegan at "the cost of your own health", I would like to share a personal story. my professor trains for iron man competitions and he used to train alongside lance armstrong in cycling competitions. he is a vegan. furthermore, every diet suffers at the expense of 'poor research', meat eaters and vegans alike.)
For me, it's simply an ethical decision. Whether or not what I choose to stand for ultimately makes a difference in the outside world, it *does* make a difference to me....
The reason why I talk about veganism is essentially the same as the motivation of any other "rights advocate."
Does it matter if one gender or civil rights demonstration "back in the day" made a difference? In reality, most probably didn't...and only managed to alienate the advocates from their peers, causing "unnecessary" conflict.
But keeping silent in the name of "peace and harmony" would have been wrong. If someone truly feels that it's wrong to kill or exploit animals, and cause unnecessary suffering, then they really should speak up - even if that constitutes rubbing it in the face of omnivores.
Didn't say we need to be hostile about it....and I honestly doubt that would be very productive. (I know that as a former meat eater, I wouldn't have listened to a vegan raving at me in an accusatory tone.) But speaking up, and sticking out? Nothing wrong with that. Given the average vegan's beliefs, anything else would be immoral.
the only one with a superiority complex is you. quit being such a b.itch. you may have never rubbed your diet in someones face, but u rub ur views on how stupid vegans and veggies are every day on this forum, its getting so old. seriously you have a mental disorder...if u hate us so much why the hell are u on this forum everyday?! your crazy, see a psychologist NOW. if u dont like mike H and vegansaurus why do u keep posting questions to a group that includes them??? insane anyone?